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CBS Sportsline underestimates Rockets - ranks them #17

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Valio!, Oct 7, 2001.

  1. Valio!

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    This is the power rankings from CBS sportline. I think the guy underestimates the Rockets. I'd be willing to bet we do better than Phoenix for example...and the Knicks...and probably 2 or 3 others...

    1. Los Angeles Lakers (2): Kudos to general manager Mitch Kupchak for making the champs even more explosive than last season with his moves. A slow start seems likely again, but it won't matter by spring. Shaq and Kobe are just too good.

    2. San Antonio Spurs (1): The Spurs were embarrassed by the Lakers in the Western Conference finals, but retaliation by David Robinson and Tim Duncan, adding defensive wiz Bruce Bowen and zone defenses might make it impossible to score inside against them.

    3. Sacramento Kings (4): The Kings re-signed Chris Webber and Doug Christie and added Mike Bibby for Jason Williams. Those three moves, plus the improvement of Hedo Turkoglu and Peja Stojakovic, make them still the most explosive offensive team in the NBA.

    4. Philadelphia 76ers (3): They're not going to start 10-0 again this season, but having been to the Finals will cement their confidence. Provided Larry Brown and Allen Iverson get along,they'll battle for the Eastern crown again because of defense, and Speedy Claxton will help Iverson.

    5. Toronto Raptors (12): Having defeated the Knicks in the playoffs and nearly knocking off the Sixers in the second round will do wonders for their confidence. Re-signing Vince Carter and adding Hakeem Olajuwon to start at center will mean even more.

    6. Dallas Mavericks (6): The Mavs are just beginning to figure out how good they are, and should Steve Nash stay healthy, they'll battle for home court in the West. The clock is ticking on Don Nelson, entering his 24th year as coach, the longest in history to never coach in the NBA Finals.

    7. Milwaukee Bucks (5): Everyone is waiting for the Bucks to sign free agent Anthony Mason, and if they do, they'll jump a couple of spots because he fits in perfectly at power forward. If not, the Bucks still have a hole there and at point guard after trading Lindsey Hunter for Greg Foster.

    8. Utah Jazz (8): It's tough to know where to put the Jazz and their aging duo of John Stockton (39) and Karl Malone (38), but Donyell Marshall will fit in that much better along with Bryon
    Russell, and Greg Ostertag is serviceable enough at center that they'll still win 50 games or so.

    9. Orlando Magic (15): Tracy McGrady became a superstar last season, and assuming Grant Hill is completely healthy, his addition, plus veterans Patrick Ewing and Horace Grant, make them legitimate contenders in the East. They should move up the rankings quickly.

    10. Portland Trail Blazers (10): Nobody knows what to make of these guys coming into this season. They lost 17 of their last 25 last season, replaced Mike Dunleavy with Mo Cheeks and are
    counting on Shawn Kemp to bounce back from cocaine rehab and replace retired Arvydas Sabonis.

    11. Charlotte Hornets (18): The way the Hornets blew out the Heat in the playoffs and challenged the Bucks in the second round proved the maturity of Jamal Mashburn and hinted greatness in point guard Baron Davis. Derrick Coleman is even in good shape. Now if they can just find a new home.

    12. Phoenix Suns (7): Penny Hardaway. Two practices into training camp, and he's rehabbing his knee again already. He played eight games last season and has averaged 34 games the past four seasons. It's a shame with the blossoming of Shawn
    Marion and the acquisition of Stephon Marbury.

    13. New York Knicks (13): It's tough to get a read with Glen Rice, Luc Longley and Larry Johnson gone, with Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson and Clarence Weatherspoon in return. More important is the growth of Marcus Camby and Latrell Sprewell,
    and how Allan Houston plays.

    14. Minnesota Timberwolves (11): The additions of Joe Smith, Gary Trent and Loren Woods might help up front. But they need Will Avery and Chauncey Billups to grow up and contribute consistently as Terrell Brandon's ankle looks more and more like a Pete Maravich sweat sock.

    15. Miami Heat (9): This season will be Pat Riley's greatest challenge, perhaps more than the 42-40 season when he took over the Heat in 1995. Considering the kidney disease of Alonzo Mourning and the lack of quality depth on the roster, they could be on the playoff bubble.

    16. Seattle SuperSonics (16): Gary Payton is still here, which means they're better than if he had gotten dealt, and Calvin Booth might help inside. And despite all the bluster about youngsters Rashard Lewis and Desmond Mason, success still will be predicated by the approach of Vin Baker.

    17. Houston Rockets (14):Letting go of Olajuwon, plus losing Mo Taylor to a torn Achilles' tendon shortly thereafter cripples their front court. Presuming the Warriors don't match the Marc Jackson offer sheet, he'll help in the middle, but they are still very light up front in a forwards' conference.

    18. Atlanta Hawks (24): Theo Ratliff, Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Toni Kukoc make this one of the best front courts in the East. Jason Terry is a great scoring guard, and Nazr Mohammed and
    DerMarr Johnson are quality young talents. They could be a surprise team in the East this season.

    19. Denver Nuggets (19): The Nuggets are a bubble team again, and despite all the personnel decisions being lifted from Dan Issel, he still will struggle getting anyone besides Antonio McDyess to play well enough to actually make it to the playoffs. They still can't win on the road.

    20. Indiana Pacers (17): It's difficult to figure out what to make of the Pacers. They are very young, with just Reggie Miller and Derrick McKey left of the old guys. Jalen Rose still is changing positions, and the young guys remain questionable.

    21. Los Angeles Clippers (21): The Clippers are so young and so talented, it's tough to get a read on how they'll be this season. But adding Elton Brand was a master stroke, and everybody will be that much better. It's probably a year early for the playoffs, but kids are so unpredictable.

    22. Boston Celtics (20): The Celtics are one of the most athletic teams in the NBA but are lacking any sort of power game. Maybe they can trap their way to the playoffs, but they'll need help at
    power forward and center before they can really be taken seriously.

    23. New Jersey Nets (25): Rod Thorn has remade this team around the acquisitions of Jason Kidd and Todd MacCulloch to complement Keith Van Horn and Kenyon Martin. Kerry Kittles is allegedly back and playing well. This could be another surprise
    team the way things look.

    24. Washington Wizards (27): Picking up Michael Jordan for the minimum is a joke, and new coach Doug Collins will be coaching in riddles all season around Jordan, Christian Laettner and a crew of unproven youngsters. Jordan could pick the team up or be battered into a quick third retirement.

    25. Detroit Pistons (22): This is a tough job for first time head coach Rick Carlisle, who must get through to Jerry Stackhouse and prove there are teammates. With Ben Wallace, Corliss Williamson and rookie Rodney White, he and prez Joe Dumars are hoping for a rebirth of the Bad Boys.

    26. Cleveland Cavaliers (23): The Cavs will be competitive, but the overall talent level of this team remains questionable enough that you have to wonder if they can win to win with any consistency. Andre Miller is good, but not that good.

    27. Golden State Warriors (28): The Warriors have had more injuries the last two seasons than any other two teams combined. Antawn Jamison could be a big star, but will Larry Hughes make the transition to point guard and Danny Fortson play an entire season?

    28. Chicago Bulls (29): Yes, you are awake and we are starting off the exhibition season with the Bulls out of the cellar. Adding veterans Charles Oakley and Greg Anthony will make them far more competitive than the previous three seasons. Not close to good, but at least better.

    29. Memphis Grizzlies (26): Moving thousands of miles from Vancouver can't hide one indubitable fact ... the Grizzlies still are a horrible team, and that's why the franchise failed in Vancouver.
    And they traded their two best players -- Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Mike Bibby. Keep playin' them blues. :(
     
  2. ZRB

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    Those ratings are atrocious. Seattle? Minnesota? Phoenix? Utah? No way they are better than Houston, assuming Jackson signs.
     
  3. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    What did you expect? These clowns had given us a C- for our offseason moves. ZRB: don't you say what I know you want to say!
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    I see the Rockets ahead of the Jazz, Blazers, Suns, Timberwolves, 76ers, Raptors, Knicks, Heat, Sonics.
     
  5. SmeggySmeg

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    The rating is certainly on the Harsh side, but still hard to disagree with this comment

    "but they are still very light up front in a forwards' conference. "
     
  6. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Here are my ratings:



    1. Lakers
    2. Kings
    3. Spurs
    4. 76ers
    5. Mavericks
    6. Bucks
    7. Magic
    8. Rockets
    9. Jazz
    10. Raptors
    11. Blazers
    12. Hornets
    13. Heat
    14. Hawks
    15. Timberwolves
    16. Clippers
    17. Knicks
    18. Suns
    19. Sonics
    20. Pacers
    21. Nuggets
    22. Celtics
    23. Wizards
    24. Cavaliers
    25. Nets
    26. Warriors
    27. Pistons
    28. Bulls
    29. Grizzlies
     
  7. NugzFan

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    defintely better than seattle - but the rest you can make a case for either way.
     
  8. thacabbage

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    How is ranking the Rockets at #17 unfair? A lot of people need to get the prescription on their Rocket-colored glasses checked out because there is no way the Rockets are a top-10 team. I think potentially they could be there if certain things work out, but right now there are just way too many question marks.

    I'm still not a Mo Taylor fan, but he fit Rudy's game plan: outscore the opponent. His loss will be huge because we needed him if we wanted to play the way we were planning. And the last time I checked, there were two sides to the basketball court. As of now, there isn't even one <i>average</i> defensive player on the roster. Also, the trio of Cato-Jackson-Thomas forms arguably the weakest frontcourt in the <i>entire league</i>.

    Don't take my post the wrong way because I am not at all trying to be negative. I applaud Rudy's efforts of rebuilding this team. I think they are certainly headed in the right direction, but they're not going anywhere until Eddie Griffin develops. At this point, it's ludicrous to expect anything more than 30 wins and a top-15 rank in the league.
     
  9. Holden

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    id like to say that i disagree with the cabbage, which is a sentence i never thought i would have to type in my entire life. i am disagreeing with a cabbage...
    ..but the rockets make the playoffs this year.

    i disagree with a cabbage.
    i disagree with a cabbage.
    i disagree with a cabbage.

    :eek:
     
  10. R0ckets03

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    I highly doubt that we will win only about 30 games. :rolleyes:

    I am not going to rank them as a top 10 team, but I think we can and should duplicate last seasons record.
     
  11. RocksMillenium

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    Then call me ludicrous, because this team could win 30 games in their sleep. They're loaded with fire power, a rebounding PF/C (assuming Marc Jackson is signed), a good rookie who should give some production off the bench, good depth, and an awesome backcourt and most importantly, chemistry. Granted they are bringing in new players, but when you have an established backcourt it is much easier to adapt new players to a team. 50 wins and a playoff berth. Burn Baby Burn!!!
     
  12. SmeggySmeg

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    Cabbage,

    That makes you the third (myself and Dadakota) to believe defense is important and ours is very average.

    Smeg
     
  13. thacabbage

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    Smegg:

    A wise man once said something along the lines of, "I guarantee that the offensive juggernaut known as the Milwaukee Bucks will defeat the defensive oriented Philadelphia 76ers."

    Unfortunately, that wise man was "verse" of this very BBS, and we all know how Allen Iverson and Co. clawed their way to the Finals. :)

    The Rockets would have had one of the most explosive offenses in basketball had Mo Taylor not gotten injured. However, it appears they will have the worst defense in the entire league. No interior presence, poor defensive perimeter etc.

    Don't overlook defense. We've been through this many times.
     
  14. ZRB

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    My rating of a C- was a default rating for losing Hakeem. If I looked at it objectively, then the Rockets deserve at least a B+ for this offseason. They were better than Seattle last year. Why are the Sonics ranked ahead of them?

    This team has improved. I choose to side with ESPN on this one. A number 9 ranking is spot on. This is bull****.
     
  15. Manny Ramirez

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    Cabbage:

    Nobody is doubting that the Rockets are not a good defensive team, but last year's team, which hardly was a defensive juggernaut won 45 games. 30 games? Give me a break, man!
     
  16. SmeggySmeg

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    Cab,

    i think this tema has the potential to be the 21 century version of the 80s Warriors or Nuggets or late 90s Suns.

    First play-offs exit at perennial best.

    Smeg
     
  17. treeman

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    Cabbage:

    Stop overlooking offense. The Bucks couldn't have spelled "defense" had they written it in the sand with their bare asses.

    30 wins my butt. 45 minimum. 52 or 53 if everything falls into place. Maybe more.
     
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    You see, the Sonics still have Gary Payton and Booth is going to be a stud. The acquisitions of Rice and Griffin don't count but the loses of Hakeem and Mo do. Plus our frontcourt is crippled and the Sonics have young studs like Lewis and Mason. Do the Rockets have young studs? We don't know. You can see why the Sonics are ranked ahead.
     
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    Young studs: Stevie, Cat
    Don't they count?

    Going to be a stud: EG, TMo

    So let's see, we've got double what Seattle has, we should at least be 2 places in front of them.

    I don't see how Lewis and Mason will outplay KT and Rice, heck, throw in Langhi too.
     
  20. Dr of Dunk

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    As much as I hate to agree with you... ;) I agree.

    The teams that are ranked between 8 and 16 are close enough to the Rockets in terms of talent and chances that they can definitely have a case made for them as being better. We have a team with Cato, no Olajuwon, our starting PF from last year missing, a SG that's gone (Shandn), a new superstar that's looking for minutes (and a new starter in general) in Glen Rice, a potentially stellar-but-green rookie in Eddie Griffin, a "maybe" new center in Mark Jackson who hasn't even practiced with us yet, our "main" backup PG in Moochie who's no certainty to be around and a gimpy backup C in Jason Collier (sorry TheCat) who will have to prove himself all over again. Then there're the new rules in the NBA. There are so many freaking variables on this team, so many new "things", that yeah, I wouldn't argue with anyone that says maybe a Toronto, Portland, Miami, or others could be better than we are.

    All you guys that are saying we'll definitely be the 8th seed, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying I have no idea what you're basing it on. This team could potentially be radically different than what they were last year, so how can you compare this year to last year with all the variables above.
     
    #20 Dr of Dunk, Oct 8, 2001
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