Now, meaning the players of 2000 ? i would take sam. But, i think 2nd year cuttino is better then second year Sam ------------------ "Don't they get cable in Canada ?" Keith olbermann, after watching hakeem block terry catledge's shot 5 times.
Tough call, the second year Sam I remember played an integral part in the championship we won as a 6 seed. More often than not, he was in the game in late stretches and at the end. The ball was in 2nd year Sam's hands and he responded well. I would be more tense if that were Cuttino back then! ------------------ HOOP-T Hey Shaq, Acme called, and they want their bricks back!
This is a good comparison, since spark-off-the-bench is a better name for their position than PG or SG. I think Cassell beats Mobley in talent however, whether you're comparing their current years or second year to second year. Cassell could score better than Mobley can, plus he handled the ball and distributed it better. Plus, his alien looks intimidated opponents while Mobley's good looks might make defenders slightly jealous but only more desirous of showing him up. I still miss Cassell. He was the factor that made me vote against the Barkley trade -- I'd sooner have given up anybody else. ------------------
I liked Sam and think he was and is a better player the mobes. Clutch can we get a stats comparision on the two both in their 1st and 2nd years. ------------------ ~John~ "If you make it idiot proof they will make a better idiot." JohnyRocket's Fan Site
gr81, I meant 2nd year Mobes vs. 1st year or 2nd year Cassell. Here are some stats Cassel year Min/G Fg% 3% As/G TO/G St/G PPG --------------------------------------------- 94 17.00 41.75 30 2.91 1.42 .89 6.67 95 22.95 42.66 33 4.94 2.04 1.15 9.55 Mobes year Min/G Fg% 3% As/G TO/G St/G PPG --------------------------------------------- 00 30.83 42.04 34.51 2.62 2.33 1.16 15.22 Damn I wish I could do tables ... ------------------ Not only am I president of the WaltWizFanClub, I'm also the member. Oh yeah, and DoctorofDunk, Houston Rocks, RM95, Rocket Fan, TexSalsa, AzimdaDream, and Shanna. [This message has been edited by CriscoKidd (edited March 27, 2000).] [This message has been edited by CriscoKidd (edited March 27, 2000).]
I'm a little surprised at Cassell's numbers -- I remembered them being higher. What really made the impression on me, however, was Cassell's clutch play in the playoffs. What were his averages during the playoffs? ------------------
I'll say one thing: It says a lot that everyone keeps comparing Mobes to point guards. It is not his job to "run" the offense, but rather "be" the offense (albeit, only in spurts). Try comparing him to people like Vinnie Johnson and Andrew Toney as the classic sparks off the bench from the #2 position.
Amen HP! I totally agree with your assesment. I like the comparisons to Vinnie & Andrew Toney (especially since both of them left the NBA with a ring). Cat doesn't have their offensive dominance, yet but Cat is bigger pysically than either of those two (at least I don't remember Toney as a big guard, and I should know I started off a Sixer fan w/ Dr. J, B. Jones, Moses, Cheeks & A. Toney). Hopefully Cat can become a offensive spark and also a better defensive player in the future. ------------------
Well Vinnie J may not have been quite 6'4", but that guy created space with an incredibly wide and strong physique. He could always get off a good shot ranging from the top of the key to a mid-range jumper. If I recall Toney was 6' 2 or 3", with an ordinary build--somewaht like CM's. Toney wasn't a bench guy in his heyday though, he could really score. I guess Iverson or KJ (the latter minus some of his assist mentality) have had the closest games to his in recent memory. Mobley isn't a bad poor mans Toney either, I guess that is a pretty good comparison. ------------------
Any comments on the differences in the situations/teammates that Sam and Cat had around them while generating their stats? The Rockets in Sam's second year had a very pedestrian regular season record. Mango ------------------ It could be worse ....... you could have been born a Jazz fan!!!!
OH...I just meant to say, I'd be curious to see stat comparisons. Mobley could help this offense a great deal if he'd practice his mid-range fade this summer like Vinne and Toney had going. no wisecracks from the gallery about how "...if he wants to help this offense, he should ask for a trade." lol ------------------ The farther the Rockets move down the standings, the farther I move down the bleachers.
I think that Cassell is a much better player than mobley. He can pass and shoot and doesn't take as many stupid shots as Mobley does. The only way Mobley can score is in isolation, he doesn't know how to play a team game. ------------------
Rockeem, Cassell is a point guard. Mobley is a shooting guard. Say what you want about Mobley, but don't prop up Cassell by saying he passes more...that's his job...and one that he is just now learning; I might add. ------------------ The farther the Rockets move down the standings, the farther I move down the bleachers.
I am pretty sure Cassell was a worse outside shooter than Mobley at comparable stages in his career and Cassell was a terrible defender as well. Still, I would take Cassell overall (penetration, assists) but to have Mobley in the same breath as Cassell reflects well on Mobley. Further Cassell doesn't take as many stupid shots as Mobley??? You must not remember Cassell's first 2 years well, everyone was always getting on him for this exact reason. [This message has been edited by sir scarvajal (edited March 27, 2000).]
heypartner, Are you trying to say that Mobley can't do anything but that stupid isolation play which is so hard to watch. You can't forget Cassell's play in the two chamionship years, so far mobley has done nothing. ------------------
I'm saying don't prop up Cassell as someone who plays a team game. He's never been considered much of a team player as far as point guards go...and he doesn't get enough assists, until Allen showed him who's boss. That team is still out of order. And it all stems from Cassell being out of control. So...I said say what you want about Mobley...but now I'd like to hear you explain how you figure Cassell plays team ball considering he is a point guard. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 27, 2000).]
Heypard, I think Cassell and Mobes are comparable cuz they played similar roles - to make something happen from off the bench. And they both handle the ball a lot. Difference was, Cassell was a pg who played like a sg, and Mobes is a sg with the skills of a pg(like in the 98-99 season). I liked the Microwave, but wasnt he mostly a shooter? Dont know the other guy ... Personally, I think Mobes is better at his role than Cassell was at the same point. Cassell had the 95, 94 Dream and other quality teamates to make up for his defeciencies in his game. Cassell had his clutch moments in the playoffs and came up big, but Mobes hasn't really had that opportunity yet(in the playoffs once- with Quitten). Does anyone think Mobes could have come up big in the same situation Cassell was in? I believe so. ------------------ Not only am I president of the WaltWizFanClub, I'm also the member. Oh yeah, and DoctorofDunk, Houston Rocks, RM95, Rocket Fan, TexSalsa, AzimdaDream, and Shanna.
CriscoKidd, Yeah, I got off on a tangent there. I meant to beat you to the punch and say I know you started this thread to point out similar roles off the bench....score some points!! The comparison is a good one the more I think about it. I'll always love Cassell's 10 ft'er in the lane. But, I couldn't keep my mouth shut when people say Cassell is a passing PG after it took him 4 years and quite a few reamings from his teammates before he started passing. I recall for sure Jayson Williams had to yell at him a few times...and we all know how Jayson likes to lose his top. ------------------ The farther the Rockets move down the standings, the farther I move down the bleachers.
People on this board have already compared Francis vs. Mobes, and i thought it would be interesting to compare these 2. Cassell used to be the super-sub, the spark off the bench. Now Mobes fills that role. Question: Between the 2, which assumed the role most effectively? Who would you prefer to have now? ------------------ Not only am I president of the WaltWizFanClub, I'm also the member. Oh yeah, and DoctorofDunk, Houston Rocks, RM95, Rocket Fan, TexSalsa, AzimdaDream, and Shanna.
