Ric, you know I was gonna bring this up. I was in the camp of passing on Carr because there was gonna be alot of prospects this year. It looks like he's gonna be a good QB, but does any of this year's crop compare favorably to him? Palmer, Leftwich, Simms, Ragone, Wallace, Kingsbury, Manning(?).
Kingsbury is obviously the greatest QB ever, and if he isn't picked first, it's a travesty. He will be better than any QB to ever play in the NFL, making Joe Montana look like a benchwarmer. Of course, this is the perspective of a Texas Tech fan, make of it what you will.
no offense -- i sincerely mean that -- but frankly, passing on a franchise QB in hopes another one will be there waiting for you down the road is asinine. too many things well beyond your control have to fall perfectly into place for that to work out, and thus, it's simply not worth the gamble. for instance, what if the texans had eeked out 1 more win this year? with five victories, you're looking at drafting in the 5-10 range, greatly diminishing your chances of landing the guy you want. worth it to pass on carr? as it is, two teams will be picking ahead of HOU, and at least one of them (CIN) needs a QB. so you're telling me you'd be content with the second best QB on the board rather than the best? further, what if DET trades their pick to a team that wants to draft a QB? now you're faced with having to settle for the third best QB on the board. that's preferrable? certainly not when you consider that none of the players you listed are better prospects than carr, with the possible excpetion of leftwich, and even that's debateable. wallace won't be drafted, at least, not as a QB; kingsbury will probably be drafted but won't stick in the NFL; simms and palmer, while talented, are far bigger question marks than carr and manning hasn't declared yet. that leaves two viable options, and you've got the 3rd pick... and anyway, what's your alternate scenario? the texans are likely to come away with jimmy kennedy or charles rogers (as it stands right now) in this year's draft. who do you pick first instead of carr and are you better off with that player and, let's say, best case scenario, leftwich, than you are carr and kennedy/rogers? especially when you consider, by waiting a year, you're now 1 year further removed from your franchise QB being ready. all the tough breaks carr's endured this year would be eagerly awaiting whoever you draft next year, rest assured. so instead of having a seasoned vet that you can start to build around, you've got a rookie making rookie mistakes. i don't have a problem, and never have had a problem with the texans' choice. don't understand why anyone else would, either, to be perfectly honest...
I believe Byron Leftwich is a franchise QB, better than Carson Palmer and David Carr. His accuracy is amazing and he has a quick release. However, since that's not going to happen, the Texans should trade down and get as many picks as possible. We have way too many holes on offense. OL, WR, RB all need major upgrades. Charlie Rodgers is tempting but there is a lot of depth at WR this year, especially if some underclassmen declare (Raushan Woods, Andre Johnson) . And yes Roy Williams is staying at UT ... I hope.
Yeah, leftwich is no Daunte Culpepper or McNair, but he is a classic drop back QB with the arm, vision and all the intangibles. Chris Simms has all the tools too but his vision is not as good as some other QB prospects. Carson Palmer will be a huge risk.
Well being that we already have our franchise QB, who would you guys draft then I have three guys on my wish list, Willis Magehee RB Miami, terrific runner broke all of Edge James's records at Miami. Larry Johnson RB Penn State. Another terrific runner for the back field. Reminds me of Bo Jackson Terrell Suggs DL Arizona State Big time pash rusher, best in draft. Same mold as LT. Would be a huge addition to the Texans all ready decent defense. I would love for the Texans to get there hands on any of these guys.
I think drafting a skill position with the # 3 pick would be a waste given the team's terrible OL play. Yeah Boselli is hurt but who knows about him while Ryan Young is a FA. I would prefer they trade down. 3 is a very favorable spot. If they can trade down to the middle of the first round around 15-20 and gain additonal selections, they can fill multiple needs with extra picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd round.
It's only a huge waste if you assume our offensive line will be terrible for many seasons to come. It's not as if we are drafting these rookies expecting them to only be here one or two years.
That is what Im assuming. We've set a record for sacks this year and our running game is zilch. Dubious distinction. Sure some could be because Carr is inexperienced, holds the ball too long, our WRs arent open, new offensive line hasnt played together blah blah blah... We aren't average or below average. We have the worst OL in the league. This needs to be seriously upgraded. If we trade down we can accomplish a lot all through one draft. We already have multiple picks in the 3rd - 7th round. If we can get an extra 1st or 2nd, that would be great.
no offense, but your rather abrasive response tells me you had already known that the Texans were gonna pick Carr, so it was your "job" to defend their pick. What is hilarious is that I haven't said Carr was a bad pick. The thing was, Carr kind of emerged in his senior year, ala Palmer. All I asked was how Carr (who I said was a good pick) compared with the guys this year. We've assumed that the Texans were gonna have a top 7 pick, I thought that was nearly a given. We've also thought that Leftwich, Simms, Ragone, Manning, possibly Grossman, possibly Boller, Palmer were all capable 1st rounders. I see you've turned this into a defend David Carr/your opinion (or Casserly) opinion poll. I don't know why. This post was meant as a compare Carr to Simms/Leftwich and other eligible QB post. This wasn't questioning Casserly or your judgement. Carr looks like a great prospect, I just didn't think he was the be all end all that Casserly made him out to be.
Honestly Ric, my initial post was no slight to Carr, and in a way, my tone was a "man, he is pretty good after all. " I don't understand why you felt the need to call my opinion assinine, when all indications lead to this being a dynamite QB class. Carr, two years ago, wasn't rated as a higher prospect than alot of those guys mentioned. I kow you're relatively knowledgeable and that you're a huge homer to the Texans, but your post was rather assinine. You attacked me, while I basically said you were correct. I just asked how Mr. Carr compared to this year's QBs. It wasn't a shot at Casserly nor was it a shot at you. You'll cringe when I say this, but I think it's safe to say that their are GMs who would pick Leftwich/Palmer ahead of Carr. I like to think in numbers. I've known (as you have, really) that this year's QB class would be much stronger than last years. Unfortunately, since the Texans play a 3-4, and there wasn't a Leonard Davis/Pace type OL prospect, Carr seemed to be the ideal pick. It's ironic that I think he may turn into a franchise QB, even though he's had a rough rookie year. Why you wanted to turn my friendly thread into an attack on me, I don't know.
OK...so you end up with a great O line, and WRs who can't catch the football. You have an opportunity to draft a playmaker (ie Rogers). We have 14 picks in the draft...between 2nd and 3rd round picks along with FAs...we should be able to retool the O line. After watching the Texans wrapup on Channel 13, it is obvious that McKinney will be on the O line...and Chester Pitts will be the left guard next year. Young wants to resign, so he'll likely be in the fold as well. Looks like all we need is a LT and a G. We don't need to burn a #3 choice to get that....it will be available in the 2nd and 3rd round.
I agree with you only that Rodgers is a once in a lifetime type talent, ala Marvin Harrison. Otherwise, 4.5 forty wr's with decent hands grow on trees. I also agree that the Ol situation ain't that bad. McKinney, Pitts, Young and possibly Boselli makes for a stout line. They do need depth, but, Wells could rush for 1200 behind that line.
Depending on the underclassmen that declare early, I would be just as happy taking a Rashaun Woods from OSU or Andre Johnson from Miami. They are big time playmakers. This is a very deep draft in terms of WRs. I doubt you'll be burning the #3 pick if you trade down and get either of these players
I really like David Carr, and I'm glad we drafted him. He has a ton of potential, he's a team guy and he's incredibly resilient. He's also much more mobile than I thought he would be. Looking forward to next season already!
I really want Charles Rogers, but I have this sinking suspicion that Detroit will nab him with the #2 pick. There will be great pressure on the Lions to take the local boy, and me thinks they'll succumb. In that scenario, we'll either take Kennedy or trade down and grab a player like Rashaun Woods/Brandon Lloyd. I agree with what Ric said in another thread: Draft playmakers and retool the O-Line in free agency with experienced players. No more rookies on the line, please (unless they're bona fide studs). Oh, and as for Carr, I like the kid. I say we keep him.
The guys on 610 this morning were salivating over McGahee (sp?). I wasn't too impressed with Wells or Allen this year. Miami running backs seem to have been doing well in the NFL. Wasn't Portis a Miami RB last year (granted, Denver always has a strong OL). Anyway, from what I've read on the board here and gathered elsewhere, it seems that Casserly will try and improve the line via free agency or later draft picks and get a ply maker with the number 1 pick, undoubtedly meaning WR or RB. How good is McGahee, is Rodgers the best WR by far in the draft and, of the two, which would you choose?
imo, the very nature of your post questioned the wisdom of taking one QB over waiting for another QB, did it not? since i think doing so is asinine, i defended the texans decision not to. as i read it, this is what you were asking me to do, and i did so. i never called your opinion asinine; i called the idea asinine. tremendously fine line, but it's why i was careful to condition my response. and you're wrong about carr two years ago. check his numbers his junior year -- they're comparable to palmer's this year and none of the QBs you mentioned even sniffed the kind of senior year carr had. again, with the possible exception of leftwich, and that's debataeable, none are better prospects than carr. you asked and i said as much in my initial response. well, maybe i did misread. sorry. i only attempted to dismiss the idea of waiting to draft a QB when one's available, and that is not a texan-centric opinion -- that goes across the board and for every position. you never pass on a franchise guy because one might be available down the road. leftwich, possibly; not palmer. no way. talk about guys putting together only 1 good year -- he was horrible his first four years at 'sc. and after watching carr's display of courage this year.... i have my doubts leftwich would rank higher. atually... some GMs might take palmer ahead of carr... but those who would are morons, imo. palmer's gonna bust big time -- i'd draft chow (his offensive coordinator) before i'd draft palmer. i didn't attack you, i attacked the idea. come on -- reread my post; the entire thing breaksdown why it was a bad idea and why the texans were wise not to pursue it. nothing personal in it whatsoever.
