That was a different poll. Since Clutch fans seem to have narrowed their favorite choice down to Barry or Arroyo, I decided to post a new poll. So please lighten up. I picked Arroyo, for two reasons. 1. He's almost a decade younger than Barry. 2. Getting him would weaken a division rival. I can live with Barry, though.
Why not both? We have both the TE and the MCE. Get them both. The team would be much stronger and more dangerous. We lost a 1 and a 2. JVG says we got a three. Let's get a 1 and a 2 back, and let JJ be super sub. It's much better than spending that money on a backup center like Elden Campbell. Get the backup center by trading Mo Taylor + Pike + whatever for James or Potepenko or AD or whoever. Cut or trade wilks, shelve Gaines, cut or trade AG. Try to trade Spoon for Jerome Williams or E Rob or something. Yao/AD Howard/AD/JYD/Padgett Tmac/JJ/Boki Barry/JJ Arroyo/Barry/Lue or Yao/Jerome James Howard/JYD/Padgett Tmac/JJ/Boki Barry/JJ Arroyo/Barry/Lue then Gaines, then you can shop for the rest of the roster spots - spots 13, 14,15. There you can pick up a Scales, a J Hawk, a Tmo, a Collie, whatever you think we need. That team is just much better than one that features only Barry or only Arroyo. It's the smart thing to do now and long term. We spread the defense and we still have a floor general.
Another nod in Arroyo's favor. He would help sell tickets to latinos, much like Yao has helped sell tickets to asians.
I'd like both, but I don't want Barry as the starting PG. I'd rether have Barry as 6th man. I think Arroyo is a underated pg, I think he could do some good things here in Houston. And with Lue as backup our PG position would be set. BTW, nice carrying of the ball by Arroyo in he Heat uniform.
I just don't get the fascination with Brent Barry. What has he done as a point guard? He played allright in Seatle last year, while he wasn't injured. I just don't think that he is what the Rockets need out of a point. I wish for a 25 year old Mark Jackson. A true point that can pass into the paint, run a fast break, play some defense, and hit the occasional 3. I don't see Barry as being the type of guard to run a team. He is a good 2. Arroyo would be much better suited for this role, IMO.
If you don't understand the fascination with Barry, then you absolutely have no knowledge or no clue about basketball. Rockets need someone that can shoot consistently from outside and make opponents pay for doubling up on Yao and Tmac...who the hell out there in the free agent market that can shoot like Barry? Tell me one guy....NONE OF THEM!!
Arroyo is a better fit for this team. He can play defense and keep opposing players out of the paint.
I like the idea of both. Has either expressed the requirement that they be a starter. Any real competitor would say " I like the way this team is looking and I want to be a part of it; let's go to camp with open competition and I'll earn the start" It would give us so much flexibility at the 1,2 &3, though planning out the combinations and rotations would make JVG's head spin. Is it posible to add both and still get Steven Hunter or Brian Skinner? I think we absolutly have to have insurance at the C and not just try to bach up Yao with undersized PF's.
My thoughts on Arroyo begin with the fact that he was pretty decent for one whole season and end with memories of players like Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley. Guys...it's Sloan's system...don't be deceived.
Arroyo is a much higher risk than Barry. In fact, he might lose his starting job to Lopez. I watched lots of Utah games. Arroyo will start, and usually Lopez gets to finish because of much better play.
If you do some stat comparisons on Barry, Arroyo and Lue they are all very simular. The differences are... Ages: Lue - 27 Barry - 32, 33 In December Arroyo - 25 Assist in 30mpg Lue - 4.2 Barry - 5.8 Arroyo - 5.1 Steals in 30mpg Lue - .80 Barry - 1.44 Barry really sucks on defense!!! Arroyo - .89 Field Goal % in 30mpg Lue - .433 Barry - .504 This would be 10th in the League Arroyo - .441 3 Point Field Goal % in 30mpg Lue - .383 This is 29th Barry - .452 This is 2nd in the League Arroyo - .325 not ranked Rebounds in 30mpg Lue - 2.5 Barry - 3.5 Arroyo - 2.6 Assist/TO in 30mpg Lue - 2.56 Barry - 2.46 Arroyo - 2.28 Height Lue - 6'0" Barry - 6'6" Arroyo - 6'2" The largest differences are age, height and shooting percentages. I really think that unless Arroyo can be had for a very cheap contract that he is fairly redundant to Lue and not neccesary. Barry on the other hand is such a good shooter that he sets himself apart on the floor and his defensive liabilities have been way overstated by the anti Barry posters on this bbs. His age is a concern only if he becomes injured and his asking price is high for a guy who will be 33 this year. There is no doubt that he will be the best player of these three if healthy and also gives us the most flexibility in that he can play 3 positions and Arroyo can play one. Oh yeah... young guys get hurt too. None of these guys is a change the game type distributer like Stockton or Kidd and all are good a protecting the ball but Barry is the highest risk/highest reward. I vote for Barry.
I don't understand basketball? Who was our point guard for the last 5 years? Was he, too, a combo guard? We need someone to run the team. There is more to it than hitting 3's. Barry is a good player. He is a much better 2 than he is a 1. Considering his age, past injury problems (59 games last season, 75 in 2002, 67 in 2000, 37 in 98, 17 in 97), I think we can do better IN MY OPINION.
Arroyo's stats are not good. Whats with this infatuation with Arroyo??? He was a scrub until last year and his best stat is 5 assists in 28 minutes, yet he's only a .325 from 3pt land with .89 thefts and just 2.6 boards. I just don't see it.
the chance of getting Barry is much better. Utah will match any offer for Arroyo unless it is unreasonable.
Answer me this: Why do we need a true PG when the ball will be in Tracy or Yao's hands 90% of the time? We don't need a playmaker at the 1. We just need a smart passer who can prey on double teams.
People are totally over-thinking this. Barry has has been an obvious choice for the Rockets PG for some time now, but now that we might actually be able to get him, people are looking for warts that really aren't significant. Here's the reasons why wew should get Barry: 1. Size: He's long. He gives us great size across the board, especially in the backcourt. 2. Shooting: This guy is one of the best shooters in the NBA, and everyone knows that we sorely need a dependable shooter from the outside, especially to keep defenses from crashing down on Yao. Tgis alone will make the offense much more varied and potent. 3. Passing: He's a Barry. Enough said. This guy has basketball instincts and can find the opne man, especially on the break, which we haven't seen in years. 4. Defense: No, one-on-one defense isn't his strong suit, but we've had one of the worst 1-on-1 PG defenders for the last 5 years (sorry Franchise). This is where JVG comes in. He'll find a way to make this team a defensive force, even if he has to pull out every last hair from his sparsely populated head. 5. Veteran presence: Some point to his age (32) as being a negative, but that's far from being over-the-hill. Evrybody saw how valuable JJ wasa to this team last year. A smart, veteran PG would do wonders in setting the tone for a teama with very young superstars. I'm not saying we give him a huge contract or anything, but I feel like Barry has the most to offer to this team. Arroyo is a nice, potentially solid PG, but I'd like to see a little more from him before i give him the keys to our team.
