It seems that Utah isn't as happy a home as everyone once thought. With the trade deadline approaching quickly, the Rockets have to look at all their possibilities. We got T-Mac pretty easily from a feuding team, could we try to steal Arroyo in the same manner? He would be the perfect PG for the Rockets. He's young, quick, can hit the three, and is a pass first PG. http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_2490296 When is the last time you heard the words 'Jazz' and 'feud' used in the same sentence? According to Phil Miller that is exactly what is happening in Utah right now as the frustrated Jazz try to get their season back on track. Miller writes that the coach and his point guard aren't speaking, the defense has all the inviolability of a speed bump, and the record to this point is now the worst in 22 years. So whats the solution? Hopefully a trip East according to guard Raja Bell. "We need a change of pace," said Bell. "We need some different surroundings. Sometimes it's good for guys to be forced to be with each other and just think about the team and how we can be better." Coach Jerry Sloan cancelled the Jazz's practice Thursday, preferring to get an earlier start on the team's cross-country flight from Phoenix. So the coach had no interaction with Carlos Arroyo, the point guard he benched Wednesday as punishment for an argument between the two one night earlier. "We'll probably talk at some point," Sloan said before Wednesday's loss to the Suns, but apparently neither side has made a move toward resolving the disagreement yet.
I know we need a point, but please not arroyo. Does anyone else think the reason that Utah's points are so successful is because Sloan has the whole team executing to perfection. Stockton was talented, but everyone else that's been plugged in there has suddenly been better. I remember people were predicting stardom from howard eisley, but he couldn't get off the bench for the knicks. All time worst Arroyo moment. He hits a game winning fadeway jumper, gets mobbed by his teammates, then fights his away out of the mob of teammates to stick his face in a courstide camera. carlos arroyo can't spell good chemistry.
What about that PG from Lithuiania? The kid that played in Maryland...he can shoot and he plays tough. DD
I still think Arroyo is top notch. Sloan and his temper are rather notorious. I'd have to see more about the argument before calling Arroyo a headcase. Of - and I doubt this means Arroyo is on the block. It's not Ostertag ever got shipped out. The Jazz aren't a trade-happy bunch. Evan
Not at all, at least in my case. In fact, the one game I saw him in the Olympics I thought his play was a little sub-par compared to what I'm used to. I'd still take him in a second.
i've gotta tell you one of the early suprises for me this season is that carlos arroyo isn't MVP material. i mean, it seemed so clear to everyone that he was a fundamentally sound, crafty foreigner showing those bad american "athletes" how to play basketball "the right way" this summer. he was the best player on the court, far above tim duncan. how can he not be dominating? how is he not as good as everyone tried to tell me. i mean these foreigners have us licked but somehow an all time great like arroyo can struggle and even, gasp, have an attitude problem and clash with his coach (even if he is Satan). i mean, just, wow. and then horrible people and horrible basketball players like marion and wade and amare are having huge years. it just doesn't make sense with the way i was told we can't play basketball anymore. guess those competitions really just aren't as indicative of ability as everyone thought. i guess i'll have to put up all my arroyo memorabilia and "Arroyo for HOF" bumper stickers until this inevitably turns around and he starts killing everyone.
Every once in a while, Sloan also has players who he hinders from developing. Could you imagine what Francis would have been like playing for Utah. I think Arroyo is one of those guys. He should be able to provide a Tony Parker esque type PG to a team, but it just isn't happening for him with Sloan.
Where did that come from? Why you gotta be hatin on the man? No one ever claimed he was gonna be anyone's friggin' savior. He's just better than any point guard we got...
There were all sorts of ridiculous posts back in the summer during the Olympics about how Arroyo was the epitome of "fundamental" basketball because he is an international player who came over from Europe and showed all these lackluster, lazy, playgroud ballers how to play the game the right way, free of the American "taint". Of course, he grew up in Puerto Rico, which is part of the US, and of course he played college basketball in Florida at FIU, and he was with a Spanish league team for all of 2-3 games his rookie year. So he's about as international a player as somebody from Hawaii in terms of being subject to corrupt American influence. Or, more likely, he had a good game over the summer and started hitting 20 foot three pointers. Good for him.
you must not have read the International Bball forum during the olympics. the praising of the foreigners and bashing of the americans was ridiculous. i'm just expressing shock that a Pantheon-caliber player isn't wrecking shop.
I would LOVE to have Carlos Arroyo on this team. Give the Jazz Juwan Howard, Charlie Ward, and Jim Jackson. Rockets receive Arroyo and Harpring. I know Harpring might be hard to lure away from the Jazz because he seems like such a good fit under Sloan but I can see Juwan Howard and Charlie Ward being a good fit under the Jazz system maybe they just look like they belong in Jazz uniforms to me and Jimmy Jackson is a solid contributor wherever he goes. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Houston and Utah being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Utah had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. thanks to REALGM
JJ might fit the Jazz but they don't need Juwan and Ward. Arroyo won't be traded to us. He is a good player but not a top notch PG.
Carlos Arroyo wasn't much of an NBA player until he got to Utah; he owes a lot of his success in this league to Sloan's system, which has made many PG look better than they really are (see also Eisley, Howard and Vaughn, Jacque), save for Stockton (who was really good). Arroyo is hard-nosed, but also a little hard-headed. He likes to really talk smack and sometimes gets drawn up in the matchup, often for the worse. That's likely one thing Sloan dislikes about him. But, in the end, I imagine they'll come to an understanding. And to the poster suggesting the Rockets trade Howard for him and Harpring (among others in the deal) -- what do they need another power forward for? They already have Boozer and Kris Humphries. Kirilenko plays some PF for them and they also have Mehmet Okur. If anything, the Jazz need help at the shooting guard position -- though they drafted Krik Snyder this year to help there and have the aforementioned Harpring as well. They aren't going to take another team's leftovers for their starters, particularly not in a deal involving Harpring, who epitomizes what the Jazz are trying to do. If there's anyone on the Jazz who is available, it's Gordan Giricek, who has fallen out of favor because he's not a good defender and is always looking to take a shot (sometimes out of the flow of the offensive scheme). All of that doesn't scream "JVG-type of player" to you, now does it?
Gotta love the one-sided trades that only RealGM could accept. They need to somehow include player ratings like NBA2k5 and quit giving Clutch members false hopes. Sam - what in the world do you have against Arroyo? Are you just saying he's over hyped? I certainly hope you're not trying to convince anyone that this is a mediocore guy. Evan
