Is there any Logical Capitalistic reason for the Medical field to Cure anything? why should we expect them to cure anything? It is more economically sound for them to make TREATMENTS than cures. Look at Magic Johnson. He's addicted for life. He is more loyal than any crack fiend. A Crack Fiend could possibly TRY to get off his drug. Magic tried to kick the habit. HE DIES A HORRIBLE DEATH! If Magic is paying 100$ a month for his TREATMENT that is 1200$ a year for the rest of his life [Let's give him 30 yrs] That is 36,000$ If the CURE cost him 20K It is more cost effective for him BUT the Medical Field looses 12K As Chris Rock said: The Money is in the comeback. We would like to think that Ethics, etc would kick in. but as we stated here many a times. BUSINESSES ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY Right now the Medical field has more money and more resources than it seems like they have ever had before. And they have come up with all kinds of great new tests [to see if you got something] They've come up with Treatment Plans. But precious few cures Maybe there is something I don't know that they doing but I would like to know. I dunno. But I think We have seen the last of CURES [Maybe a Few Exceptions] Rocket River
EXCELLENT thread, RR. It's unrealistic for us to expect a capitalistic growth-driven company to spend its own money on a product that could lead to the company's demise. But what do we do? -- socialize all medical research? At first blush, that doesn't seem feasible either. I honestly don't know. I'm very curious to see what other posters think.
Rocket River Does not seem to understand That finding a cure Is not only the focus Of large corporations Which he hates with a passion There is an army Of researchers More so in the medical profession Than any other Who are not motivated by dollars It is these people Such as Universities And other research centers From which a cure Is likely to come Rocket River still has yet To fully grasp That capitalism is The most efficient economic structure Conspiracy theories And the blame game Are his primary objectives
you are quite wrong Conspiracy theory is just a hobby ;-) Economically speaking finding a cure would be like making a car that lasts forever after everyone has bought one. . . . why would they need another? Rocket River quit Biting my style
Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy. Magic Johnson has HIV so that large corporations can make more money. In fact, I think they targeted him because he is black. They are all racists, too.
I do not think That you even Read my post If you did Then you did not Fully grasp The concepts Which I laid out Those not driven By profits May very well Find a cure This would Render your latest Conspiracy theory Invalid Again
TJ: Would you then be in favor of the government providing more research funding grants to allow for more un-biased research? I ask because the federal government has decreased funding dramatically over the years in favor of private companies who research for profit - primarily from the patents they create as the result of research. Should we be more willing to trust the research of an independent group funded publically or a pharmaceutical company research staff? I don't blame the corporations for wanting to make money. I just wonder, when it comes to our health, how willing we should be to trust a company that profits not by a cure but by a treatment, not simply because I think they will lie to protect themselves, but because they may just not see the logic in searching for a cure if it costs too much money.
I have been thinking that. When it comes to computer anti-virus companies. I do not suspect pharmaceutical companies to be behind diseases. In the case of computer anti-virus companies - I am not so sure. By the way, only Jeff's response really made me understand what the thread starter might have been trying to ask.
Those not driven by profit? Who are they? Who funds these universities? Who gets the 1st crack at these new cures In academia .. . the 'slant' of the research can be driven by the major donors If Preperation H . . funds a hemroid study they can slant to to more effective, cheaper product . . and not the cure. Chiles: whateva Rocket River
That was un called for and second you should take reading comprehension. No one accused anyone of giving Magic HIV on purpose.
What are you, Rocket River's mother? Or why else do you feel the need to wrap your arms protectively around him all the time? At least Rocket River knows haiku. You don't even have that distinction to offer.
I generally DON't bring race up first unless it is a race based thread You seem to do it often You seem to use it to dismiss everything with it rocket River
Show me the last time I brought up race, other than in this thread, where I made a sarcastic remark based on past threads where you have blamed things on racism that did not even have anything to do with race. And show me the last time I used it to dismiss anything. Liar. I expect an apology for this lie.
RR -- If you are talking a monopoly, or one company, you'd be right. But, what's the capatalistic incentive? That's easy. Say DrugCo sells a very effective medicine for $100 that allows you to live with HIV. MedCo makes nothing off of DrugCo's drug -- but if they can make a $1000 a pop HIV cure, or even a $1000 a pop HIV Vaccine, they would have a LOT of incentive to do research. MedCo does not care if it puts DrugCo out of business. Plus, DrugCo doesn't want MedCo to beat them to the punch -- so they are researching as well. Not to mention the individual incentive -- the researchers, doctors, and scientists, that work for the drug companies, medical schools, universities, and hospitals, want to do a good job -- they want to be the best. I'll be willing to bet that the team who comes up with the cure for HIV or Cancer won't have to worry about making ends meet -- ever.
This is the biggest lie I have *ever* seen. EVER I would say that 90% of your posts have racial connotations, if not outright racist opinions. At least 90%.
Well, I have to admit that most of the threads Rocket River starts do not directly deal with racism and some bring up interesting questions (once the haiku is deciphered). However, it is also my impression that in most of his posts, race plays a big role and my opinion is that a lot of racial prejudice shines through. That's his choice, I guess...fine, if that makes him feel better. But saying that it is not him, but ME who would be "bringing race up often and using it to dismiss everything" is a total joke and turning things upside down...
No offense Rocket River, but this thread should have died long ago. The people involved in clinical analysis have one goal: to find cures. There are no ifs, ands, or buts. The net effect to the medical community is NEVER considered. Also, realize that most of the rest of the World's advanced economies have nationalized health care. They have every reason to find cures, yet I believe that many of the cures come from US research.
