I wanted to ask, would we able to make a trade like this: Cato Mo Taylor Cuttino Mobley for Brian Grant Eddie Jones Grant and Jones make the MAX along with Steve. Can we keep all 3 MAX contracts? I think it's a special case, because no other player on the roster would be making more than 3M. Would Houston be able to stay out of luxury tax territory? I know that Griffin and Yao's extensions are coming up, but I think Grant and Jones' contracts will expire in the season Griffin's new deal would kick in. If this is truly the case, wouldn't this deal be perfect for us? In 2 seasons, after Jones and Grant having nothing left to offer and after we'll have been contending for the title, Griffin will be solid and ready to start, and hopefulyl we'll be able to acquire a new SG with the capspace. Remember, we'd still have Rice, meaning we get cap relief next offseason as well. Yao/Grant Grant/Griffin Posey/Rice/Boki Jones/Posey Francis/Moochie Thoughts on the line-up, the cap implications, and the status of the contracts?
I'm all for it, though swallowing both Grant's and Jones contracts seem a bit too much. I have been a big proponent of trading Rice and Moochie or Rice and Mo for Grant on the board for nearly a week now. Everyone says that Grant's contract is too high, that it's a cap albatross, but it expires in the same year we have to resign Yao, and who in their right mind would prefer to overpay Moochie or Mo instead of Grant? He fits our needs at the 4 almost perfectly. I think we may find that Miami is a willing trade partner and that Riley is about to blow up the team just like Kiki did in Denver. Your line-up coached by JVG certainly would be a contender, even in the west.
I would make the deal but would really prefer to send Eddie instead of Mo Taylor. I'm just not a big fan of three point shooting Power forwards unless you're like KG or Rasheed who will also go down low and mix it up.
I don't see how Eddie Jones is any better then Cat, and Cat has a much smaller contract. Their scoring is similar (Jones averages one point more), and Cat has a higher FG%. Jones is five years older. Jones is no better on D. The trade would benefit Miami more than it would us. Werd
It would work, or close enough to get the details right...but, no way if I am the Rox do I even consider this. 'Throw in' Butler and I am attentive.
Try to make the deal enticing for Miami; but only take Grant. We don't need both of those contracts. I'd say Cat + EG + Cato would probably get us Caron and Grant, as long as we have an idea for a backup center, even though Grant and Mo can both play spot backup 5. "Use" Miami's 13 mil cap space so we can get Posey re-signed.
I'm not sure Miami would do it, but I'd love to see Caron Butler in a Rockets uni because of his athleticism, handles and upside potential. IMHO, Butler's ball handling abilities make him more of a SF (or point F) than a SG and thus negates the need for Posey. Would the Rox be better off with Butler at the 3, Francis and Butler sharing the ball handling chores on O, and throwing the $ at a drop dead spot up like Piatkowski? Pike's a defensive liability but Butler could take the tougher defensive matchup especially against teams that have spot up SF's like Fox or Bowen. Oh well...I doubt JVG is going to tinker with the current team early on...just wanted to give kudos to Caron. The guy would be a great fit. BTW - regarding the original proposal - Jones and Grant wouldn't come off of the books until after the 2007 season! It had better be the right move or it could have a severe downside.
ROXTXIA- I doubt it would. Miami has no reason to trade Butler. He's a stud on year 2 of a rookie contract. Getting Butler would probably be just as hard as getting Elton Brand in a sign and trade. That would extremely hard. I'll continue to pass on Grant and Jones. Sure, they'll probably make us a little better for the first couple of years on their deal- maybe we'd make good fodder for the Lakers in round 1 with them on our team. After that, when the rest of the team is actually ready to compete, they'll be overpaid albatrosses. Miami probably doesn't do it either. They're building around players under 25 (Butler, Wade). No need for them to take on players that don't fit in that criteria.
Butler is untouchable! He's a lighthouse in the salary cap storm the Heat are going through. The Carter thing is a joke! I hope the L scrutinizes everything that Miami does. Like Carter won't receive $3M of unmarked bills on his doorstep one day. Please! Oh wait, what's this here under my couch cushions? Why it's a MAXED-OUT salary slot! Riley, like my three year old... "Yeah, I found my MAXED-OUT salary Slot!!! Woo! Hoo!". (My son is normally ecstatic when he finds his Red Power Ranger, he could care less about the salary cap.)
I'd love to get Brian Grant, huge contract or not. The guy is the PERFECT power forward to put next to Yao, a consistent double double threat who will not take shots away from Yao and Francis, and will also play some tough defense down low. I think that Rice and Moochie would get it done as well, the Heat want as much cap space as they can get to continue rebuilding around Butler and Wade. The problem then becomes your logjam at the 4 with Grant/Griffin/Mo, but I think we could find a deal to ship out either Griffin or Mo for some guard depth.
and add Moochie and take out Cato. If we are going to take on these two big contracts, and send an expiring contract, the least Miami can do is take Moochie off our hands: Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.7 minutes) Houston receives: SG Eddie Jones (18.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 38.1 minutes) PF Brian Grant (10.3 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.3 apg in 32.2 minutes) Change in team outlook: -10.4 ppg, +2.9 rpg, and -2.4 apg. Miami trades: SG Eddie Jones (18.5 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 3.7 apg in 38.1 minutes) PF Brian Grant (10.3 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.3 apg in 32.2 minutes) Miami receives: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games) SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 62 games) Change in team outlook: +10.4 ppg, -2.9 rpg, and +2.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Lineup: Yao/Cato Grant/Griffin Posey/Nachbar Jones/Hawkins Francis/FA That would be the best defensive team in the league.
Dayum Expensive Too! Is that four MAX contracts I'm counting? But yes, a fantastic defensive team! We could sure make the playoffs in the East Problem is this: Les $$ < Cuban's $$ Les $$ < Maloof's $$ or else this might work.
Judging be responses, the opinions are exactly 50-50. This indicates that it's a fair trade. Almost exactly half said yes, and almost exactly half said no. The salaries are very close. Grant 12M Jones 12M Cato 8M MoT 8M Mobley 5M That's 21M vs 24M. Now Miami may be willing to take back Moochie, but because they're under the cap, they don't have to. however, they lose around 2M in capspace. It's completely out of the question to get Caron Butler. He's untouchable. The only reason they make this trade is so that the supporting cast can be closer to Butler's age. I think this trade is absolutely excellent for both teams. Our team becomes great, and theirs is set for contending in the East. Signing a couple of players like I said would put them in home court advantage for the playoffs. Capologists, can we do this under the cap? 3 MAX contracts, but 2 will expire by the time our extensions begin?
That trade doesn't help Miami contend in the East. Moochie is only marginally better than the PGs they had last year; Rice is limited to an outside shooter, when healthy; Mo Taylor is inconsistent, and with Wade and Butler, what do they need with Mobley? I'm sorry, but I can't see it happening. Miami's not looking for long-term deals a la Moochie and Taylor in trading away their own deals, they are looking for players like Rice and Terrell Brandon alone. You might be able to get Jones for Rice and a #1, but that's about it. They aren't gonna take back Moochie and Taylor.
now that is the first realistic trade proposal i've seen on here in a long time.. this is something that both sides might actually agree to...makes sense.. I would do it
Take Mobley off that list and I like it. Add Moochie if you must. Yes we'd have a good defensive team but at what cost? Mobley and MoT are our 2nd and 3rd best scorers. Granted, Yao will have a much higher ppg this season. But still, if we lose those guys we will have no choice but to have games that everyone is assuming JVG will bring. We will be lucky to break 90 points in a game.
Well, Jones is supposed to pick up Mobley's scoring in this deal. And Grant and Yao should pick up Taylor's. This lineup doesn't look too shabby offensively. The only thing is that Jones is not an upgrade from Mobley, but is a lot more expensive. But if that's what it takes to get Grant, then I'll accept it. Grant is better than both Griffin and Taylor at PF and better than Cato at backup C.
There is no way I would make this trade. With CATO, Mobley, and Taylor you are giving up way too much for Jones who whatever team he ends up on goes to hell and a hand basket. (Old Lakers, Charlotte, Miami). Grant(limited offensively,but a better rebounder) is no better than Talylor(overall) and you would just be giving away Cato for free. Then you are left with a shooting guard who cannot shoot!(Jones) A power forward with no Power(Grant)! And no one to backup Yao Ming (Cato Gone)in the western conference with all that size up front. Then what are you going to say when the ROX are being "Killed" up front and on the boards with no option of the bench.
