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Can't Have Medical Examination of Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MadMax, Jun 2, 2002.

  1. MadMax

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    I don't have time to post a link this morning, but Dale Robertson's article in today's Chronicle indicates the Rocks can't have a physical examination of Yao...but we know for sure he had serious ankle injuries.

    Ummmmm...this bothers me. And I imagine it bothers the hell out of Les Alexander who is ultimately the one signing the check to big Yao.

    I always feel like I have to post the "I'll root for him if they draft him" disclaimer, to assure you all I'm not a Yao Ming hater...ultimately I don't know the guy enough...and all indications are I'd like him a lot as a person.

    But, man...the risks associated with this guy are unreal. Can you imagine drafting a guy with the first pick in the draft (something your franchise has rarely possessed), knowing you're going to have to spend tons of jack on the guy...and not being able to have your doctors take a look at him first? Hell, he couldn't even get qualified for health insurance here with that approach! :) Add in the fact we've never really seen the guy play against legit NBA talent, save for a couple of games...and the politics, which have been hashed out her ad nauseam...and I think, if it were me, I'd be trading down to #3 and taking Caron Butler and Amare Stoudamire with the #15 pick. Seems to me that gets you more value, allows you to win sooner rather than later and is less risky. I'm not entirely risk-averse...but this is getting ridiculous.
     
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    From a "player" standpoint, I think Ming's possible reward would be worth the risk. But with all of these other non-traditional roadblocks, I'm thinking that if the right deal comes along, i jump on it.

    If the clips offer odom, 8, and 12 for KT and #1, we should be the proud owners of Lamar...and maybe we can package something else, using 8, 12, and 15, maybe even another player, to move up if we need. It would be nice to come out of this draft with odom and butler or dunleavy, IMO.
     
  4. smoothie

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    the problem is that for every risk there may be a reward.

    it is possible that yao can become the greatest bust, and then taken back to china. it is also possible that he becomes a 25-15-4 guy.

    i too, would rather go with the safe bet, and just make the playoffs.
     
  5. NYKRule

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    I agree 100%ly, but I wouldn't put it past that damn Krause by picking Caron 2nd if the Rockets don't let him pick up Jay.
     
  6. Jeff

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    Here's the exact line:

    <i>As a teen-aged Gulliver, Yao is said to have suffered stress fractures in his ankles. Although recent X-rays show no trace of the damage, such a history scares the dickens out of the Rockets' orthopedist, Dr. Walt Lowe, who admits he would feel more comfortable signing off on Yao if he could give him a thorough once-over.

    But such an examination doesn't appear to be possible.</i>

    Like everything else, this is a factor that has to be weighed. We shouldn't assume he won't be available for a physical just like we cannot assume a workout is out of the question. This is just one of the issues they'll have to consider.
     
  7. GATER

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    I spend far more time in this BBS than I should and I have read many postings and rants about Yao ranging from bust to Smits to perenial All Star. I have read debunked myths about the ChBA & Shangai Sharks wanting players in return and posters from China have provided websites and much personal information.

    Further, I've read Bill Walton's and Jerry West's and Mark Cuban's opinions. But in all of this, I have never ever read one thing about Yao Mings ankles or general physical health. I request that you provide a link for this "information". If it is something you can only find in Robertson's article, perhaps it is just Robertson's overblown opinion.

    Thx.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    :mad: Sounds to me China's trying to hide Yao's flaws so he goes at #1... I want someone who can play atleast one season without a single injury And can play D
     
  9. GATER

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    Got the above in after Jeffs' post. Dr. Lowe is surely going to be overly conservative in his assessment. It's the physicians version of CYA.
     
  10. firsod

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    let yao ming go. choose another safe guy. You fans will be happy, Rocks team will move in playoff, and Yao Ming will be happy too to have chance to choose a place where'sno so many his haters . Sounds so easy.

    Yao is not playing for someone loving to grab a sure NBA title. He is playing for his own fun and his life. He is just a common player. I swear he will be a forever bust seen from your noble American Rockets Championship's eyes. But I will respect this tall kid. He is honest,polite, working hard,never asking money,never complain. There's no reason to hate him.

    I watched his game four yeasr ago. Though I like him,my word could descibe his game had to be " embarassing" ( maybe wrong word, I don't know much english). In the first sight on this guy, I felt he is a lovely boy, so polite,skinny, with a little bit braveness.
    He can grab the ball and hold it tightly. Buy he didn't know how to lift his hands to put the ball into the basket. At that time, he was a boy knowing nothing about basketball and sports.

    But now I heard he can shot 21 from 21. It is an amazing progress he has made. I think he has something in his brain not in his body. He can do anything better than most people.

    I am on the side of not taking Ming. It will be more embarassing when I hear him called as a bust. He should stay in China, playing for people who can respect his efforts.
     
  11. Axeman

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    The draft is in four weeks. If the dude cannot make it over here, or our doctors over there, for an exam before then, I'm a little nervous, too. All you guys know that I'm a huge draft-Yao booster. But, I'll tell you that unless the Rockets get to give him a physical it makes it tough to risk a #1 pick on him from a purely basketball perspective.

    I am not concerned about the Rockets getting to work him out. I know they've been scouting the guy ever since the 2000 Olympics and have watched tons of film and even sent guys overseas to check him out. So, from that perspective, I'm OK.

    All that being said, I think the Rockets know that they have a "golden" opportunity in Ming that is just too good to pass up. Imagine:

    1. All your games are televised in Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai, Taiwan, Singapore, etc... etc...
    2. Ming, at least for one to two years, becomes the Michael Jordan of Asia in terms of endorsements, etc... and he is wearing a Rockets jersey in all those ads.
    3. You sell roughly 2 - 3 million Yao Ming jerseys before the season even starts.

    Now, I have no illusions about the NBA. It is a business first, a game second. People are in it to make money. Why do you think the league is trying so hard to draft the international players? The league wants to dominate the world and rake in billions more dollars.

    So, there's not much that is going to keep them from drafting him.
     
  12. RIET

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    Let's just let management do the right thing.

    What is the right thing?

    If they can pry a couple of potentially very good players filling 2 or 3 holes, they should examine it.

    If some team offers 1 good player and nothing else, then screw it, take the chance with Ming.


    It just seems so easy.

    Get 1 good player - No. Playing the Ming lotto is worth more than Lamar Odom and a handshake.

    Get Brand and Battier (or something similiar). Hell yes. Instant nucleus and playoffs.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    nothing ventured. . . nothing gained

    Playing safe = Pheonix Suns
    Cleveland Cavs
    Atlanta
    Golden State

    rocket river
    Dare to be great. . .or suffer in mediocracy
     
  14. GATER

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    From sportsdoctor.com:

    "Stress fractures...will not show up on an ordinary x-ray until they are extreme; they are better detected by a bone scan interpreted by a physician skilled in dealing with stress fractures. Simple rest and strengthening exercises are usually all that's necessary to heal a stress fracture."

    About the authors: Carol L. Otis, M.D., is Chief Medical Advisor to the Sanex WTA and a UCLA student health physician. Roger Goldingay is a former professional soccer player. They are married and the co-authors of The Athletic Woman's Survival Guide.
     
  15. heypartner

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    MadMax sure is scared.

    Since when do rumors like "Yao is said to have suffered stress fractures in his ankles" become

    "but we know for sure he had serious ankle injuries."

    you sure don't hide your bias's do you? Like Gater said, I've done a huge amount of reading on Yao over the past 2weeks, and never ran into such a comment until Dale said it. Why hasn't Fran or Feigen said it? Do they pick straws to see who gets to mention the vital facts (if they are facts), or maybe this is not a fact that "we know for sure."

    and like GATER says, stress fractures can be about as minor as shin splints, and quite a stretch to call them "serious ankle injuries" even if the rumor is true. Has Yao even missed a game in the last 2 yrs, since the Olympics?
     
  16. saleem

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    The Rockets should be allowed to examine him,but it also says that he got the stress fracture as a teenager and now he is 22 years old.
     
  17. Yetti

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    Hi Max! Whats the fuss about? YAO MING HAS BEEN PLAYING BASKETBALL FOR MORE THAN 8 YEARS! DONT YOU THINK HIS LEGS MUST BE STRONG ENOUGH BY NOW? If the Rockets management wants to have a work out and examination,
    there are plenty of flights to China. Beware New York is trying to put the Rockets off Ming as #1, too many fans and players are being gulable! Yao Ming is a PRIZE and we cant afford to mess up!
    "WITH THE FIRST PICK THE HOUSTON ROCKETS SELECT CENTER YAO MING OF CHINA."
     
  18. windandsea

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    I checked all the chinese sources I can found and didn't find the injury of Ming. Maybe it was happened ten years ago.
     
  19. MadMax

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    and you're not biased on this topic?? :D

    I don't know why Dale said it...I don't know if it's true or not. I'd like to find out, though...and if I were Les, I'd sure as heck like to get a chance to have a medical examination of a guy I was about to spend millions on. I had no idea that was a concern. I was already against them picking Ming, given the risks...this just adds another.

    admittedly, I don't know much about ankle injuries...looking back, i can see i probably overstated the seriousness of the injuries...but that doesn't change the point that this guy mayl be the first number one pick, probably in the history of American pro sports, to be chosen without a medical exam by the team that will take him.

    as for the "nothing ventured, nothing gained" argument...come on!!! yes, everything is a risk...the entire NBA draft is a risk...but teams spend lots of resources seeking to minimize those risks with all sorts of research and scouting. Apparently the Rockets have videos of Ming's play...compiled by the Chinese government!! Not exactly a fair compilation of his play, I bet. Let's don't act like the Rockets are condeming themselves to suck if they don't choose Ming. And while it's true Ming may be unbelievable....I don't have any evidence to suggest that. That's why I, personally, would trade the pick for an established player and some lower draft picks.
     
  20. GATER

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    Excluding Clutch, Jeff, and perhaps Will, everyone else here has a pretty definite feeling.

    While I am pro-Ming and I don't think Odom + 8 +12 is enough (almost but not quite), I can easily respect the concerns expressed by anti-Ming posters. My problem is that there is a fine line between legitimate concerns and a witch hunt.

    Why doesn't the media ask how Odoms season ending wrist surgery went? That's alot more recent than Mings ankle stress from 6 or 7 years ago. If the ankles are a concern, perhaps we should check the links many new Chinese posters have provided and see if the ankles have caused Yao Ming to miss any ChBA or National Team games. That would be legit.
     

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