Forget about signing Karl Malone...not gonna happen. Brand probably isn't attainable, and as I stated elsewhere, I am of the opinion that we don't need another 15+ fga/game scorer on this team. What we need at the pf spot, if Eddie isn't there yet, is defense, rebounding, toughness, and veteran leadership. Short of trading for an Antonio Davis type, there would seem to be a free agent power forward out there who fits the bill...and just might be available. P.J. Brown is a tough defender and rebounder, doesn't need the rock to be effective, and would be the perfect veteran complement to allow Eddie to grow into the sold player many of us still think he can become. Of course, it's easier said than done, given our $$$ problem, but there are reasons why I feel P.J. is landable...This is an incredibly deep year for power forwars on the market, whether that's trade or free agents, with the likes of Brand, Malone, Howard, Davis, O'Neal, Walker and others either available, or said to be. That tends to make the less prestigious players in that bracket come a bit cheaper. We are also an attractive spot for a guy looking to find a confortable home, we have young talent, as yet we still have a player friendly coach, and guys like Malone are going to gobble up the prime spots like L.A. and San Antonio. Also the chance to play next to a potential franchise center is one many 4s spend their career hoping for, and we've got that. I'm not a salary cap expert a la HP etc., and I don't know P.J.''s exact situation and asking price, but I think it's a doable deal. I do want to re-sign Posey, and I'm not sure that both moves can be done without moving salary, but I'd defeinitley be interested if I were CD.
MacBeth, I need to ask questions to consider being on the PJ Brown bandwagon. 1]How old is he? 2]How many years has he played in the NBA including the 02/03 season? 2a]How many seasons do the experts think he has left as a major contributor Def/Off. 3] What are he last season stats? 4]Does he have any experience playing with a team playing the Big Mans Game ? 5]Does his temperament fit in with our team? 6]Will adding him enable us not only to move to the next level but in three years to be competitive with ...San Antonio shooting for the Championship? Is there a major factor of having him over trading Mobley and Griffin for Brand, who is also a player that can move and play well without the ball?
I've been saying we need P.J. Brown since before I joined the BBS. A guy who can average 10 and 10, that's all we need from the PF spot.
2002-03 Statistics PPG 10.7 RPG 9.00 APG 1.9 EFF + 18.06 Position: F Born: 10/14/69 Height: 6-11 / 2,11 Weight: 239 lbs. / 108,4 kg. College: Louisiana Tech '92 2002-03 Statistics TEAM G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG NOH 78 78 33.4 319-601 .531 0-3 .000 194-232 .836 3.10 5.90 9.00 1.9 .86 1.03 1.26 2.60 10.7 Ranks #10 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(9.0) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.531) Ranks #9 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(243.0) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(3.1) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(5.9) Ranks #15 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(701.0) CAREER 762 31.8 46.5 77.8 14.5 7.9 1.5 0.9 1.2 9.2
P.J. is exactly what we need for Yao. 110% He will let Yao be the man, kill anyone that #$@!s with him, clean the rims and hammer home any bailout toss. He can also set mean picks. This is the guy.
I agree 100%, but think it would be STUPID to give up on Brand. I think we can land him, especially if we get David Falk on our side. However, if we can't get Brand, I think PJ Brown is a great compliment for the team. I think the market for this guy, especially now, is the MLE. No one is crazy enough to pay more. Basically, no one with space under the cap will use that space to get PJ Brown. Sign n trade? Maybe, but I sincerely doubt he'll get anything more than the MLE. What we should worry about is LA offering him the MLE. In that case, he'd definitely go to L.A. . Outside L.A., we're as good a choice as anyone, even the Kings and the Mavs. Why? Not because we're better, but because we can offer him the best balance of playing time and winning. Next in line: Jeff McInnis, who can also be had for very little. Getting these 2 players would do WONDERS for our team. We wouldn't have to give much up for them. I think we can sign PJ Brown to the MLE, and get McInnis with cash and a pick (and a contract of course). What does that mean? We're still fully stocked to go after that elusive complimentary star on our team. What would we have to offer? Mobley, Rice, Cato, MoT, EG (to some extent). I honestly think the best direction for us to go is get 2 dependable starters (McInnis), and use our players to strike a deal for Lamar Odom. It's no secret, this is the team I'm realistically hoping for: Ming PJ Brown Odom Francis McInnis Bench: Cato, Boki, Moochie, throw-in from trade (Dooling? Daniels?)
If we can move Rice for PJ it would be a real coup for us.The Hornets will probably ask for more than that.Posey could be a good backup for Mashburn and we might have to take an additional contract along with PJ to make it happen.
I'd perfer Kurt Thomas to PJ Brown, and as I stated earlier in a seperate thread I think that a very plausible deal would be Cato/Moochie for Thomas/Charlie Ward. We get two solid veterans one to bang down low and rebound the other to play about 20 minutes off the bench in Moochie's role. Ward shoots near 40% from three point land and he also has one of the best assist to turnover ratios in the league. The Knicks would get Cato, who they have reportedly asked about in the past, and could probably be a solid center in the East. But PJ Brown is a guy that I would definitly look at. Can anyone tell me in Dale Davis is a free agent this season, I've found a few conflicting reports, if so, he'd be a perfect replacement for Cato if the Thomas deal went through, still leaving us with Mobley, Rice and Taylor to try to swing another deal (Odom?).
Kurt Thomas and Antonio Davis would both be better..but we ain't gettin them. PJ Brown...free agent...not gonna happen. You can only hope that he wants MLE. He fits us perfectly. I think he led the league in field goal percentage. He is just a tough hustler who rebounds and makes putbacks. That's all we need. Of course..Brand would be better. But ain't gonna happen either. Griffin could easily become like PJ Brown. What are PJ Brown's options? First..New Orleans? Then Los Angeles Lakers? Then Dallas Mavericks? Then San Antonio Spurs? Then maybe us I guess! We should get him! And since he's always with Jamal Mashburn...get Mashburn too!
Not the Spurs, and not the Mavs. He won't play with the Spurs coz Duncan WON'T move to C, and Malik Rose will stay there. Mavs can't offer him enough playing time to entice him. I think that his best two options, in order, are Lakers Houston Ofcourse, if the Lakers offer the MLE, then I see PJ going to LA and getting his ring. But chances are, Lakers will go after Juwan Howard first, and will look for a trade before they use the MLE.
Yett.. Pasox answered most of these, so i will only address 4, 5,and 6. 4) Brown played alongside of one of the very few dominant big men of our era, Alonzo Mourning, for 4 years ( 96-7 through 99-00) which included some of Zo's best years. He is completely used to a Big Man offense. 5) His temperment is, IMO, perfect. He's not Charles Oakley...thank God. A guy like that would get tuned out with this team. Brown is a leaser and a tough guy, but more of an in the locker room and busting his butt on the court so you'd better bust yours kind of guy rather than a press conference leader. He would be awesome. The more I think of this fit, the more excited I get. 6) He is exactly the kind of guy who will elevate us...and he'd be an excellent teacher/role model for Eddie. He does the dirty work, and who on our team can you say that about right now? He's among the absolute best defensive 4s in the league, something we will need going up against the likes of Duncan and Nowitzki and garnett on a regular basis. He won't stop them, nobody does, but he'll do about as good of a job of keeping them on the ground as anyone, while Yao and Steve do their thing.
brown will be a great tutor for eddie. but what do we do with moT? i think that posey may be a better fit for us than odom. posey is a very good defender, the type that we can put on kobe, marion, Tmac, and the rest of the tall wingmen. odom plays average defence at best.
Hmm...really. Not many teams want PJ Brown. Because salary issues. But what about returning to New Orleans? Won't he do that first??? Unless he gets more money from another team. Yes....he would be perfect on our team. That would be great!!! Him...Antonio Davis, Kurt Thomas, Brian Grant or Jerome Williams. They would all be nice. PJ Brown would be great... But what would we do with Mo Taylor? Trade him for Alvin Williams or Jeff McInnis? In Los Angeles......I think they have other options besides PJ. They can get Juwan Howard, Karl Malone, Samaki Walker, Robert Horry, Mark Madsen.......and then PJ Brown. Well I want PJ Brown. Posey...I like him. But he needs to improve his shooting. If he can make shots consistently.....he would be perfect in the future. Williams or McInnis/Francis/Norris Francis/Posey/Hawkins Posey/Nachbar/Morris/Rice Brown/Griffin/Morris/Rice Yao/Cato/Collier
PJ Brown is a nice player and he would fit in the Rockets offense. He is a tough rebounder and has great size at 6'11". He can guard all the tough western conference PFs and on offense would not be a liability because he actually has a decent midrange jumpshot. On paper an ideal person to add to this team. However, Why would Houston be a good fit for Brown using HIS point of view. We already have Griffin and Taylor. Didn't we move Kenny Thomas so we could give Eddie and Mo more time at the PF spot? Now we are going to mudy it up more with adding ANOTHER PF to the mix? To me if we add Brown we need to trade Cato to fill another position. That way Brown can play backup center to get some minutes on this team as well as PF during some stretches. I just don't see the Rockets with Griffin, Taylor and Brown on the team at the same time at the PF spot. Something has to give there. If you want to trade Griffin to land Odom and then bring in Brown that is one thing, but having all 3 of those PFs, I don't think it would work. Anyone else agree?
Looks good! His stats even look good! But he will be 34yrs of age in October! In three years when the Rocks have matured he will be 37, I would consdider that if we get P.J.Brown it would be only a temporary solution.
Look, Yetti, you can't have it all. You can't have all young studs. Everyone wants young studs. A) you have to have a mix of veterans and young talent. Our young talent is Yao and Francis. They need a vet who has earned respect from hard hat play to help them. Even if you could get Zach Randolph instead (and Portland ain't gonna), you still need that vet voice who's been around to get you through the rough patch. PJ is perfect, perfect for Yao. He will have the respect of the officials and respect of the league. He has earned the right to talk, to defend Yao. He's also in great shape. Thorpe played into his 40s, and PJ should go at least as far. He can also play backup C, when you want to bring in that next young pf. Our other vets at 3 and 1 need to know going in Steve and Yao are the franchise. B) Eddie and Taylor don't fit Yao/Francis and never will. Forget about them. People don't change. Those guys need someone to support them - they aren't made for the support role. Move them for whatever you can and move on. There's only room for 2 stars, and we already have them. C) The Brown committment shouldn't be too big too swallow. We can bring in another player like him later and he is man enough to take the backup role at 4 or 5. 3-4 years is all good. This is the guy. All assuming we can't get Brand. I can't see any possible way. Get Brand, all bets are off. Same with Jermaine O'Neal. But forget that. Can't happen.
Sane, I like that lineup a whole lot. The only possible change I would consider to it is getting Alvin Williams instead of Jeff McInnis assuming Williams can still be had with the tradeable assets we have left after acquiring Odom. If Alvin is too expensive, I'd be ok with McInnis. They are similar players, but I have heard that McInnis doesnt have the best attitude in the world. Deuce, An acquisition of PJ Brown would probably only occur if one of the PFs (likely Eddie) is moved. I think it will be extremely tough to land PJ, but it would definitely be beneficial to the Rockets if they land him. PJ is an ideal PF type for this team b/c he plays solid defense, rebounds well and is very good in pnr situations. It would be great to land Brown, but I think its going to be a whole lot tougher than some seem to think.
