Can we just agree that KPjr is at minimum, an above average player...regardless of position?

Honest people, absolutely.

You might be expecting too much from some here though. The narrative runs too deep in them.

 

There is more to it than talent. Freezing players out. Walking out. Pouting after a no call. And who knows what else. Now if the new coach can fix that or get a real PG so it becomes slightly less costly then ok.

But talent wise, he is above average.

 

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Accumulated talented pieces that are as you put it just at least average or above average as a whole.

The fit has not been great but we' ll see if it improves over time.

 

He's an above average talent and player. He fills a role the Rockets have already filled in Green. So at this point he's more valuable as a trade asset that can net you a good veteran player.

If that's what he nets you that's a net positive acquisition by Stone as he turned a asset that was worth a late second pick into someone who can net you a solid veteran player.

 

Not just his problem, those young guys do not play standard NBA ball but some sort of AAU free for all basketball.

They just chuck and shoot whenever they please with no structure at all.

 

I mean sure…all we know is he can put up numbers on a terrible team. Beyond that it’s unknown, maybe he’s more than a 6th man on a winning team or maybe not.

He’s just not in the upper tier of Rocket trade assets.

 

Oh my god another KPJ thread

Yes, as somebody who does not see him as an important part of the team's future: He is a (slightly) above-average NBA player.

Any chance we can just close this and move on? No? Sigh.

 

Some folks also thought wood was an above average player also regardless of position.

I think kpj is talented, for sure, he just isn't the person that we need him to b at pg. That being the number one issue.

If he can't b the playmaker we need him to be, he either goes to the bench where he will no doubt have success due to his talents or take green position which makes absolutely no sense.

Folks on here got triggered that we drafted smith at number 3 since he's what folks view as a super role player, imagine we drafted green just to make him a bench player.

U can argue kpj is marginally better than green, due to the 2 years of experience he has over green, but any gm worth their salt would not get rid of green over kpj, factoring in the behavior issues, and on/off court drama.
There's a reason why kpj trade value is sht, and green isn't. Folks view green's potential being better than kpj, kpj stans should start doing that also.

 

He got y’all 3 straight top 5 talents to start a rebuild so show hancho a little respect

I hope he retires a rocket. He provides a lot of entertainment during these tough times

I honestly think some of you just can’t stomach a rebuild and cry to much

 

One of the Ringer podcasts with Kevin Occoner and the other guy who really hated Harden over the past decade said with teams like the Rockets, the moment they try to win, there will be players on that roster that simply will not be able to play the same way as they did before and it was very heavily implied that they were referring to KPJ because they said right after that statement that Green is a great enough talent that he will still come out of a horrible situation as a star level player.

 

In theory it's debatable but I don't think sengun only fans agree with u, why else would they want kpj gone?

Didn't we have silas have Bruno aka lob threat start b/c of kpj incompatibly with Sengun?

Green and sengun has chemistry, kpj doesn't. Sengun only fans get triggered all the time b/c kpj doesn't passes the ball back.

 

A good example would be Lillard who overstayed his welcome.

Sometimes you have to leave the team and be better for it.

Sometimes the team tried and failed to build around you or your solid archtype isn't meant to win it all in the weird ass era.

 

Yes, lots of great talent and upside. Not a point guard.

 

No.

 

Among all guards including the ones that should not see a minute on the floor like Nix? maybe.

Among all guards who actually can make the rotation? No.

Among shooting guards for a 6th man role? yes.

 

Delete.

 

He is too much flash for my taste, maybe it translates to Playoff games one day, maybe not.

 

I think KPJ has the ability to be a SG who can give up 5-10 mpg as the SG2.

My preference is that KPJ is the SG3. The Rockets should draft a PG1 and have him split time with a veteran FA PG2.