can we afford NOT TO??? ------------------ Lt. Roastabotch reporting for duty! [This message has been edited by verse (edited May 15, 2001).]
The question is "Does Shandon want to be here next year" and "How much is he worth". If he really doesn't like our offense, then he's gone. If his agent was serious about Anderson wanting more than early bird money, then he's probably gone. He's an above average defender, but we're not going to overspend on him just to keep him. ------------------
While verse is a bit crazy on the issue, even I don't think Shandon will be back next year. I think he's a very good defensive player who can occasionally score a bit. That's a valuable piece to have on a team, but not if that piece demands 7 or 8 million dollars Shandon's a bargain basement deal at 2, a good deal at 4, but outrageous at Mobley-money. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
I do agree about shandon being a great efender. But he was upset about the way he had to play wasn't he? I am not sure but i think i remember reading about how he did not like the way he was having to play because he was having to sit and wait at the three point line only to get the ball in the last second to jack up a shot. Rudy would have to convince him things will be differnet in next season, but can the fockets afford to keep him next year? I mean with all the changes they are trying to have this offseason (players). Just wondering. ------------------
Since the Rocks' big men can not rebound, the guards had to do it. When the guards rebound, the number of fastbreaks is almost nil. Shandon is the kind of player who wants to score 6-8 points a game on fast breaks. No front court defensive rebounding. No fast breaks. No Shandon. ------------------
name an nba guard who CAN'T score 6-8 points on the break. ******************************************************** and, yes, i am a bit looney about the issue. but it's only cuz i'm a bit looney about wanting the best for this team, and i sincerely do not believe shandn is the answer - at least not as a starter. off the bench, ala augmon for spare change and pocket lint? yea. ok, no pocket lint. that's a bit crazy
I'm confused. Mobley is at 4. Is that outrageous or not? driver8, our defensive problems cannot be fixed by keeping Shandon. Rudy does not even consider them game-deciding enough to play him in the 4th more than Moochie. If Shandon accepts pay equal to what the option year was scheduled to pay him, I'd do everything in my power to keep him, and use the "he'll have Bird Rights next year" argument with Fegan. If it becomes a money issue or dislike of Rudy's system and platooning in a 3 guard line-up enough for him to give up his Bird Rights, you must protect your cap space for our real weaknesses....6'10"+ defenders and rebounders, who clearly are more expensive than 6'6" Elie-esque defenders/junkyard dogs. driver8...it is not as easy as saying we can use Shandon,,,no one on the team can do what he can do. I can't help but look at cap issues and assessing values to our players and costs to fix our gaping holes. No one ever said the job of GM negotiating salaries is easy.
HP: Oops, for some reason I thought Mobley was closer to 6. My mistake. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
damn. i feel like the rca dog next to the broken phonograph. nonetheless, i'll say it again: "one man cannot a defense make, but one man CAN an offense break." now someone (other than you, heyp ) tell me why, if shandn's defense is SO IMPORTANT, does he never play in crucial stretches? i think the answer just might start with an "o"....
When Shandon Signed with the Rockets the Reson being is he was going to "start" on a Contender for the Championship. At the time we had a healthy Barkley, Olajuwon, and Pippen, Also we just completed a Trade with Vancouver for Steve Francis. It was looking like we where making another run! Thats the only reason Anderson signed here.Then here comes PIPPEN Opening His Fat Lipsas soon as Phil Jackson got the Coaching job in LA. and he was shipped to Portland; and the whole outlook of the team changed. If I was him I would leave as well. Ship him to Miami. ------------------ When I was Little I call in a local sports show and told them the Rockets should Trade Otis Thorpe for a Lottery Pick. They found me to be stupid.
I've been incognito as of late (aka lazy), so this may have been discussed. However, that being said, I'm not sure the Rockets can afford to let Shandon go to another team next year. Sure, they might not have a say in the matter, but I don't think they can give a half-hearted effort to keep him in the pajamas. I think Shandon's defensive abilities rank #1 on this team right now. He's the only guy that can come close to defending the premiere SGs and SFs in the league. Sure, the new zone defensive schemes that will undoubtedly populate the league next year under the new rules will allow a greater degree of team defense on such players; however, I believe man-on-man defense will still be the watchword. If Shandon goes to another team, who's going to defend in the backcourt? Walt? I saw him get used one to many times last season. Mobley? I love the guy, but he's got a bit farther to go in establishing himself defensively. Francis? At point...he'll be running all over both sides of the court. Nope, we need Shandon for the same reason we needed Mario in 94 & 95. Defense. ------------------
heyp, liek you said, no one on this team can do what Shandon can do. What does that say about a Rockets team without him? Sure, I place a greater priority on signing CWebb over Shandon, but I'd chase after Shandon before I signed Dream. It's all a matter of priorities when you're limited to a finite field by the salary cap. All I'm saying is, I'd put Shandon a bit higher up on that list of priorities purely due to his defensive prowess. ------------------
His starting salary is 4 mil, but the whole deal(I believe) was 6 years, slightly over $35 Million, which averages out close to 6 a year. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
$31M Do $3.9m start plus 12.5% simple interest? You don't average out cap hits to be the same each year.
Doesn't matter. You still must negotiate for league-wide market value. You do not pay someone more than what you believe is market just because they are all you got for SG defense. Shandon signed a 3rd yr option. If he accepts that, he is in Full Bird territory for any value. No other team can give him that next year. His best bargaining is next year, because that is the year his current team has most bargaining flexibility. The CBA is set up to reward that type of patience and not bailing to free agency. His agent will consider that. Why not negotiate hard with Fegan and tell him to honor the 3rd yr and wait on Full Bird rights. You sound like you just want to cave and give Fegan what he wants. hogwash. These one yr deals for Full Bird are becoming common. Fegan just wants to test the waters this Summer, otherwise as aelliott said, they want too much money or they don't like Rudy.
I know, I was just trying to explain Haven's(And my) thoughts about his salary. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
