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Can some one tell me what Eddie Griffen is good for?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hikanoo49, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. hikanoo49

    hikanoo49 Member

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    This boggles my mind... Granted, he may be a decent project and may be good in 3 years, but right now he is probably the most useless piece of $hit on this team.

    Defense- TERRIBLE.. Continues to take risks and continues to get abused.

    Rebouding- Horrible

    Offense- He is the worst offensive player on this team and before someone bashes me, let me explain. Not everyone is a good offensive player especially against NBA defenders and outside shooting in general takes a great deal of skill. But most players find roles and niches and play to their strengths. Not that Eddie has any strengths but shooting outside shots is clearly not one of them. The guy roams around and shoots 3 pointers and opponents gleefully watch him brick one after another.

    Again, I understand that it takes time to develop but during games is no place to practice his ugly @ss jumpers.

    Lastly, the thing that bothers me the most is Eddie brings NO INTANGIBLES whatsoever.

    He plays like a bonehead. Terrible passer. Moves poorly without the ball. Cant cut, doesnt set screens doesnt get loose balls etc.

    So I ask you guys again, what is Eddie good for???? :mad:

    We already have too many "young prospects" on this team and we definitely need to get rid of at least one of them... If Eddie doesnt show me anything anytime soon, he gets my vote. He still has some trade value left so we should seriously look to move him...
     
  2. zilches

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    would it kill you to let us know how you ReaLLY feel hikanoo49? :D
     
  3. RocketKid

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    I love Eddie, but it's so hard to stand up for him right now. He's shown almost no improvement from last season, which is super disappointing. The 'he's only 20' excuse is old, and it doesn't excuse the fact that he hasn't improved at all.

    Regardless.....I still have faith. Once he starts knocking down his J on a consistent basis, he'll be a solid contributor. Once he learns some post moves and hits his turn around jumper, he'll be a force. All this takes time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
     
  4. hikanoo49

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    Rocketkid,

    I understand that you are a Eddie fan as so many on this board. But you can almost say that about anyone...

    "Once he starts knocking down his J on a consistent basis, he'll be a solid contributor. Once he learns some post moves and hits his turn around jumper, he'll be a force. "
     
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    I agree, everytime he gets the ball and starts to shoot (basically everytime he sees the ball) I start screaming NOOOOOO!
     
  6. vcchlw

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    Sometimes Eddie just thinks he is as good as KG and shoots the ball without waiting for his teammates. Just as Mobley sometimes thinks he is Kobe and dribbles all the way and shoots.
     
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    I still have high hopes for the kid, but lately I've just been shaking my head at his play. Hopefully he can learn something in the offseason.
     
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    The Rockets should put Eddie on the injured reserve and play T-Mo more.....let Eddie develop cuz right now he is hurting the team.
     
  9. RocketKid

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    But the thing is, he gets the looks.....he's just not hitting. It's not like he takes bad shots....well not all the time. He doesn't force things up too frequently. Bottom line - he takes good shots. Even his 3's are good looks, but he's just not hitting.

    This just means he needs work. And you're right, that can be said about anybody. He just needs time and practice.
     
  10. Sane

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    You cannot say that about anyone. Not everyone has the same potential to improve, and not everyone has as much time as Eddie to improve.

    We can wait on Eddie, as logn as MoT is doing a good job, and Eddie shows occasional outbursts.

    I do think he should be benched at this point of the season, while being told FIRMLY that he must try VERY hard NOT to take 3-pters, and he must also not shoot at the rate he does.

    It's absurd how he constantly leads us in FGA until the middle of the 2nd Q. It seems, he knows he won't be playing late, so he take sas many shots as possible early.

    I have big hopes for him, but he needs a helping hand. A sumer with Larry Smith would do him good. He needs to bulk up at a higher rate than ever before, then try and get comfortable on the floor in the summer leagues, and also try and improve the arch on his shot.

    Those are the things he needs to improve over the summer. If he keeps weightlifting at a decent rate and working on his post moves, he will be a GREAT player by the beginning of next next season. Just to be clear on this, if next next season seems like a long time, just remember that he'll be 22, or 23 at the most by then.

    Hopefully, we won't find out all this, and we'll trade him in a package for Elton Brand.
     
  11. hikanoo49

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    Do you think Eddie would continue to get such good looks IF teams actually felt that he could consistantly hit those shots? Personally, I dont think so. Teams FREELY let Eddie shoot WIDE open jumpers because this takes the ball out of our better shooters such as Steve, Yao, Cat etc. Eddie should almost wear our opposing teams jersey when he shoots those 3s.

    So my point is that you can not judge a "good look" without taking to account who is shooting it. In my opinion, a wide open 3 for Eddie is not a good look. At least at this juncture in his career. Neither would a wide open 3 pointer be a good look for Yao or Mo T. That is simply not their strengths and if you are going to tell me that shooting 3s is Eddies strength, then he simply should not be starting for the Rox nor playing in this league.
     
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    You guys are wrong about him improving. It may be a slight improvement, but nevertheless its improvement.

    His FG% is up a bit, and his Rebounding numbers are up some also. His blocks are down a bit, but he did have 4 tonight.

    I think Eddie will be a good player. It will be a good time for the Rox when he gets better. By then just imagine Yao Ming he will be better then to.

    Steve will then be adjusted more to having low post support and will improved to by then. It will be sweet! :D
     
  13. hikanoo49

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    First of all, I did not say anyone. I said almost anyone. And here is the quote of what the other poster said about Eddie.

    "Once he starts knocking down his J on a consistent basis, he'll be a solid contributor. Once he learns some post moves and hits his turn around jumper, he'll be a force"

    One SAMAKI WALKER starts knocking down his j on a consistant basis, he'll be a solid contributor. Once he learns some post moves and hits his turn around jumper, he'll be a force.

    Would this statement be accurate? I can probably interchange about 20 other young fowards and the statement will still be fairly accurate.

    I realize that Eddie is young and will some day improve, but as I said earlier, he is simply not ready now. We are in a playoff race. This is no time for him to be "practicing" his 3 point shots when we are fighting to win games. As of now, he brings nothing to the table. Until he does, he should not play. We have given him MORE than enough chances for him to prove himself and he is truly hurting us now.
     
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    You are really grasping for straws if you are going to tell me that Eddie is improving through his 36% FG % last year to 39% this year and his extraordinary .3 rebound increase from 5.7 to 6!!!!!! :rolleyes:

    Frankly, I am not that picky about stats. But it is just how Eddie plays the game. As I said in an earlier post, I realize that shooting is difficult and there is nothing wrong with Eddie not being a good shooter and their are numerous other ways for him to help our team that does not show up on the box score such as:

    tough d
    ball movement
    screens
    lose balls
    keeping the ball alive
    hard fouls to protect the paint
    movement away from the ball to create better spacing for teammates

    He currently does NONE of these well
     
  15. bobododo

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    its something called potential. I see some in Eddie. Good shot blocker and good rebounder. Just a little bit young to be going against the powerhouse west coast power fowards.
     
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    Potential is not gonna get us into the playoffs this year. If Eddie isn't able to contribute NOW, he should sit on the bench and let someone else who CAN play.
     
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    Chandler and Curry seem to grow together well. Hopefully, EG and YM can grow as well.
     
  18. bobododo

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    errrrrrr are you guys out of the playoff picture yeT?
     
  19. Red Chocolate

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    First of all..

    You spelled his name wrong. It's Eddie Griffin, not Eddie Griffen.

    Secondly, he's a very young player in a conference dominated by power forwards. Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Elton Brand, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, etc. are too much for him to handle right now, which is understandable.

    However, he's extremely versatile and has a very respectable 3pt shot for a big man. His rebounding isn't bad and he can block shots. Let Mo Taylor get the bulk of the minutes the rest of the way, but I still like EG. He crashes the boards more than Mo T, and gets his fair share of offensive boards and tip ins.
     
  20. hikanoo49

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    Yes. Chandler and Curry have been playing well and seem like a great duo in the future. However, please understand why they get playing time.

    First of all, they have began playing well with more minutes. Thus, they earned the playing time.

    Secondly (perhaps most importantly), it is clear that the Bulls are in the early stages of a major rebuilding process and are no where close to competing for the playoffs.

    We, on the other hand have a VERY good shot at making it but we seem to be still experimenting with projects who are not simply ready to play at this level.
     

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