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Can nba 'Superstars' even make shots anymore?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by what, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. what

    what Member

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    Watching today's game between miami and chicago, I had a revelation, an epiphany, superstars are so used to getting fouled at the end of a game that they can no longer make simple shots.

    One look at Bron throwing up that ugly shot, no arch and barely even touching the rim, then he goes to the line: missing two fts. Rose gets in the lane for a last second shot and he throws up a weak 8 footer that clanks off the rim and misses two fts that would have put his team ahead in the game.

    These games are getting as bad as men's college basketball. Shooting ain't important when you are allowed to hack your opponent to death to win games. I swear every game that chicago or miami plays (not just with each other) but every game is an ugly basketball game because that's the only way the refs can keep those two teams from getting blown out by an offensive team.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    I know. The glaring exception is Rudy Gay and his perfect j that make Memphis fans wet.
     
  3. what

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    you got one thing right, gay at least HAS to make the shot cause he can't rely on getting fouled like bron and rose do.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    LeBron is shooting .549 from the field, so I would argue that, yes, he can make a shot.
     
  5. heypartner

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    I agree. Rudy Gay is old school. The exception.
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    He CAN rely on getting to the line. But he is too soft.
     
  7. Shaud

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    Rose made shots towards the end of the game that's how they got in it.

    Oh and Kevin Durant has hit a few this year.
     
  8. dharocks

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    Yes, NBA superstars can still make shots. As can ordinary NBA players, surprisingly enough.
     
  9. Mr. Space City

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  10. what

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    My eyes saw 2 3rd quarter jumpshots. Not impressed.

     
  11. Mr. Space City

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    wrong video

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  12. Patience

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    I agree the Heat-Bulls game got pretty ugly at the end. There was one possession where it took the Bulls 6 shots to get a bucket. And the four consecutive missed free throws by Rose and James were pretty embarrassing.

    But after growing up watching the 90s Heat and Knicks teams in the playoffs every year, I can hardly complain about players' offensive skills these days.
     
  13. VBG

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    I'm gonna say yes
     
  14. zainahsan93

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    What are you talking about, did you watch the whole game or the last 2 minutes? LeBron and Rose were making shots all game, your just talking about the last shots LeBron and Rose took that missed
     
  15. juicystream

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    Could they ever?

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  16. Kojirou

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    You think that's bad? You remember that moment when two top-10 players ever proved themselves incapable of making simple layups?

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  17. what

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    Up until 1993-4 nearly every team averaged over 100 points a game. The complete flip-flop of that is stark. This year exactly 3 teams average 100 points or more. Point is, players don't know how to play the game anymore. Sure you can say defenses have improved, but not by THAT much.

    Something tells me if you transplanted the 86 celtics to the present game, they'd kill these teams. Iso's and hero ball has killed the game. We want every superstar to be MJ, that's why Derrick goes 3 on 1, something tells me MJ woulda passed it to Kerr. The total shambles of the offensive game is ripe for a renaissance. Some coach is gonna look at the old showtime and figure this out. They have to because this current version of the game is truly depraved.
     
  18. Kojirou

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    Uh, last year the average points per game for all teams was 99.6. It's definitely lower than 93-94 ( 101.5), but not significantly.

    The fact that offenses have been really really bad this year in general isn't news, and in fact was expected. How good do you expect offenses to be when they're playing this heavy a schedule?
     
  19. Patience

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    You do realize that 1993 was almost 20 years ago, right? This is not exactly a news flash that offenses are not as prolific as they were in the 80s.

    My point stands, however that offense has improved dramatically since the mid-late 90s. I think a good deal of the low scoring in the 90s was due to new coaching with an emphasis on slow-it-down grind-it-out gameplans (Pat Riley, JVG, Mike Fratello, etc.) Coaches basically realized that if their teams were low on talent, they could slow the game down to reduce the number of possessions, therefore making the games 'closer' and preserving their jobs. In addition, league expansion in the late 80s and early 90s diluted the talent as compared the the 80s offensive heyday.

    Luckily, some rules changes and an infusion of young talent in the early 2000s improved offenses all over the NBA. And I think the success of the Steve Nash-led Suns helped coaches embrace a more open offensive style. Granted, some teams still rely on ugly iso-ball. But I think that is more a result of a few superstar-led teams lacking depth, more than a lack of shooting skills by the average NBA player. I mean, even look at the Rockets. Obviously, the Hakeem-led teams were much, much better in general. But, I could make the argument that the current team has much better pure shooters than the 90s teams ever did.
     
  20. cheke64

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    Other than superstars, do role players and all stars drive to the basket anymore? I don't know which is disappearing more, the post game or driving? If you can do one consistently you are at least an allstar.
     

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