**** Texas basketball. **** it, **** it, **** it. I am so sick and ****ing tired of losing to ****ing Oklahoma, in Norman and in Austin and on a ****ing neutral court, that I'm not going to another ****ing game until we ****ing beat those goddamned sheep-****ers. If ****ing Rick Barnes wants to take the ****ing North Carolina State job, **** him-- let him go, and let's get someone the **** in here who can ****ing beat ****ing Oklahoma. ------------------ Things are tough all over, I know what you mean... --Damon Johnson
I couldn't have said it better myself, and I'm glad that BK and I finally can agree with each other in a thread on this BBS! Seriously, Rick Barnes and Mack Brown are starting to look interchangeable to me. Both have proven to be great recruiters and extremely mediocre coaches. And if Texas doesn't beat OU in something soon, I'm going completely postal!!! ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
Could be worse. . . you could have TEXAS A&M's basketball program :-| Rocket River ------------------
Next year, when Texas finally has some decent guards, we will be even better. TJ Ford is coming, and he is awesome. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
Say what you want about Mack Brown, but Barnes doesn't appear to me to be a "mediocre coach". This is as a good a UT Basketball team as we've had in 10 years. Look at the losses: Duke, Arizona, Kansas, OU (3 times) -- All top 4 NCAA Tournament seeds. Nebraska & South Florida -- the only two true "upsets" in the bunch. SF was early in the season when the team was still learning (and no Darren Kelly). Remember, we have *FOUR* freshmen getting major minutes. On the other hand, we had big wins against tournament teams: Illinois, Iowa State, Missouri, OKState (3 times), Indiana. You don't replace Mihm, Moeneke (?), Wagner, and Clay (4 starters) and compete for a big 12 title without a pretty good coach. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Talk to me after the tournament. If they can beat Florida in the second round, I'll upgrade my opinion of Barnes from "mediocre" to "pretty good". Until then, "mediocre" still stands. It doesn't take a good coach to bounce back from losing Chris Mihm. Just a good recruiter. Shows you how crappy UT hoops teams have been the past 10 years, eh? ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
I'm in ACC country. Rick Barnes used to stand up to Dean Smith. He'll eventually get the handle on Kelvin Sampson and OU. He's pretty fearless and UT is a better opportunity than Clemson. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com
Rocketman Tex: No disputes there. Texas IS erratic... but whenever TWO erratic teams play each other, you never know what's going to happen. As do you, I think Florida is a better team... but Texas occasional excellence and Florida's occasional poor play could spell upset. I'd rather play an erratic superior team than a consistent one . Hehehe... I've been reading the Southern Utah newspaper about their game versus us. The poor little sots think they have a chance . ------------------ Boston College - Big East -East Division Regular Season Champs Worst to First in 2001! [This message has been edited by haven (edited March 12, 2001).]
Yep, TJ Ford is coming. Too bad he can't play for Texas in this year's tournament. They could use him. Pueldfor, while you are calling me stupid in this thread, I would hope you remember that Tom Penders took the Horns past the second round of the tournament. Barnes has yet to do that. Call me stupid if you wish, but winning the Tournament is how you win the National Championship. I couldn't care less about the Big XII title. I also couldn't care less about the number of Big XII wins Texas has. I care about the National Championship. I would like to see my alma mater win it all. Don't you? I will be very surprised if Texas gets past the second round this year. Go ahead, call me whatever you want, the Horns just don't have it in them to get past Florida. They proved it yesterday against Oklahoma, sad as it is to say. ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker [This message has been edited by RocketMan Tex (edited March 12, 2001).]
I call you stupid because saying Rick Barnes is a mediocre coach is ****ing stupid. No way around it. It's like saying the earth is flat. If someone came up to you and said, "The earth is flat", you'd tell them they are ****ing stupid. Tom Penders had one good run through the tournament 11 years ago, and managed to barely beat a 15 seed to get into the sweet sixteen the second time. They couldn't even beat a Louisville team who's best player was limping around in the next game. Other than that, he produced mediocre teams that had great talent that was never developed. I want Texas to win too, and winning in the tournament is important. But you have to get into the tournament first. Weren't you tired of "Tournament" Tom, with his unseasonable tan, telling all of us that his 17-13 team would get into the tournament because of RPI and scheduling? Rick Barnes has had Texas a lock for the tournament each and every year he's been here. And winning Big XII games and regular season championships gets you into the tournament, and(usually) gets you the favorable seeds that facilitates those tournament runs. The Longhorns have it in them to get past Florida, they proved it against Iowa St. Your lack of faith in the Longhorns, and Rick Barnes is disturbing. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
OK then, what has he proven? Like I said, the Dance is everything. Until he proves himself in the Dance, he is a mediocre coach. What's the point of winning the Big XII if you're going to tank in the second round of the Dance? Why are you putting your faith blindly into Barnes?. Will you be singing the same song this year after the Horns get bounced in the Second round...AGAIN? In my view, Rick Barnes is a mediocre coach. He will be until he proves otherwise. And if you want to keep calling me stupid, why don't you put down your bowl of Captain Crunch, turn off Blues Clues, and get Mommy to drive you to Houston so you can say it to my face. The last thing I need to be doing is arguing UT basketball with someone who is still breast feeding! ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker [This message has been edited by RocketMan Tex (edited March 12, 2001).]
If Rick Barnes hasn't proven to you by now that he's not a mediocre coach, then he never will. The point stands : Rick Barnes is a good coach. Looking at the talent he had at Texas, and the state the program was in he's done an excellent job coaching. I'm sorry I'm too pathetically stupid to recognize that he's a mediocre coach, I've only been watching Texas basketball since I was 6. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe. [This message has been edited by Puedlfor (edited March 12, 2001).]
What's the point of winning the Big XII if you're going to tank in the second round of the Dance? Why are you putting your faith blindly into Barnes?. Will you be singing the same song this year after the Horns get bounced in the Second round...AGAIN? My opinion won't change. Given that this was supposed to be a rebuilding year loaded with freshman, anything that we do past today is icing on the cake. The fact that we were 2nd in the league with the youngest team out there, I'd say that's not bad. Granted, I will be disappointed if we don't make the Sweet 16, but that is because my expectations are so high -- because this team is playing far better than the talent on it should (a measure of a good coach). Good coaches build solid programs that compete year-in and year-out, and Barnes has surpassed all expectations. I hated the guy when he first came here, but he's proven me wrong. I'd rather measure the coach by the 30-game regular season than 1 or 2 games. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Shanna: Exactly... I wish more people thought like you. I think Steve Lavin's reputation is ridiculous for that reason (perfect example of hte opposite of Rick Barnes). His teams falter in mediocrity during the regular season, but then win in the tournament... so he's considered a terrific "big game" coach who can get the most come crunch time from his "underachievers." Problem is, it's very rare that a team is consistently full of underachievers for YEARS running... unless it's the coach's fault. UCLA has recruited some of the best talent out there for a long time... but doesn't have much to show for it anymore. People celebrate him for getting to the Sweet 16 with a team with a mediocre regular season... but ignore the fact that the team should have been in the tournament with a #1 or #2 seed to begin with, and should be in the Final Four. Rick Barnes is a good coach, and the regular season counts . ------------------ Boston College - Big East -East Division Regular Season Champs Worst to First in 2001! [This message has been edited by haven (edited March 12, 2001).]
He hasn't been there that long, yet... give him a little time. I think OU is one of my 5 least favorite programs in the country (I know A GREAT MANY obnoxious sooner fans, for some reason) ... so Texas had better stop beating them soon . I bet you guys go further in the tournament than they do, though. The draw against Temple should work in your favor, and then you've got a very erratic Florida team second. After that, you've got North Carolina, which is 4-4 in its last 8 games... not exactly on a role. OU has to play a VA team that can beat anybody, or a Gonzaga team that NOBODY wants (in the second round). Aftre that, it'd be defending champ Michigan St. I'd rather be in Tx shoes right now . ------------------ Boston College - Big East -East Division Regular Season Champs Worst to First in 2001!
Under Rick Barnes, Texas has won more games in Big XII play than anyone. Texas has finished in first or second in the Big XII all three years Barnes has been here. Mediocre? Don't be ****ing stupid. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
Barnes needs to stop *****ing. Although he has a legitimate gripe about Texas being # 6, there is nothing he can do about it. Don't blame Texas fans or the NCAA Selection Committee for the loss to OU. Texas was seeded the way they played on Sunday. Texas vs. Temple has upset written all over it. Everyone is disappointed after yesterday. It would have been easier to take if the loss had been to Kansas. I don't see a real big difference between Texas and OU in basketball besides experience in favor of OU. We were in the right place at the right time but didn't get the job done...call it a learning experience and move on. There's nothing else to call it. ------------------
Smokey: I'd say Texas v Temple is a good match for TEXAS. Temple is down this year, and wouldn't have even made the tournament except for winning the A-10 tourney. During their non-conference schedule, they got BEAT UP... it was only by kicking A-10 butt that they won consistently (not to knock the A-10, it's the strongest non-power conference, but Texas is in a power league and did well). Temple is very short on athleticism... just has a great coach who can with with smoke and mirrors. Those mirrors don't work so well when the Owls are overmatched to the degree they will be against Texas. The match-up zone has been weak this league. ------------------ Boston College - Big East -East Division Regular Season Champs Worst to First in 2001!
Barnes has a legitimate grip, the seeding was Bull****. Why not do like Florida and play the Southwestern Arkansas school for Welding and Motor Repair for your non-conference schedule if playing against a tough schedule won't be rewarded. Cincinatti played like **** against Charlotte, and played pretty mediocre all year, and they got a 5 seed. Indiana? They got beat by an Iowa team missing their best player, and they got a 4 seed? What the ****? Its utter bull****, and Texas is gonna prove the selection committee wrong by beating up on Temple, and then beating Florida. And, the players have already put the Oklahoma loss behind them because of this slight, and that is a good thing. Go into the tournament with a mission. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
Puedflor: To be a 5 seed, Texas would have to be in the top 20. I agree that they probably are. But it's not an open and shut case. I certainly think my school go screwed as well, though . Seriously, you guys got a favorable draw... better, imo, than Oklahoma's. Just be happy w/that . ------------------ Boston College - Big East -East Division Regular Season Champs Worst to First in 2001!
