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Call to Capologists: ferret out the possibilities for the Battier trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rileydog, Jun 28, 2006.

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  1. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

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    For a long time, I've known that we have some of the most intelligent and well informed fans on this site. Now is the time for the capologists to step up and save us from this insanity, particularly since there will be no official word untl July 12. I don't pretend to understand BYC contracts, but in the various threads, I've read that BYC contracts are hard to move, the Swift/Battier dollars don't match, etc.

    I don't start many threads but think this needs to be broken down by the experts. Please explain the possible and likely permutations of this trade, since it is clear that this is going down. We all want to know if we're picking up the Villanova guard (24th pick) or some other consideration. We all want to know if it's more likely if Swift is being moved, or Howard.

    Thanks. You're doing a service to all of Clutchfandom.
     
    #1 Rileydog, Jun 28, 2006
  2. baller4life315

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    I just posted something similar in two other related threads.....

    Battier is a Full BYC player meaning his contract is VERY hard to move. Since draft picks count for $0 and considering Battier's BYC status, what does this mean for us?

    Howard for Battier doesn't work
    Swift for Battier doesn't work
    Hell, Swift AND Howard for Battier doesn't work

    Clearly, there is a lot more to this trade than is being advertised. None of this really adds up for the Rockets and considering Battier's contract situation, I would love to know just exactly how he is going to be traded?

    Please, any capologists or more informed posters please try to shed some light on this for me.
     
    #2 baller4life315, Jun 28, 2006
  3. JusBleezy

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    Thank you man. If you were a girl, I would kiss you. There has to be more to this.
     
    #3 JusBleezy, Jun 28, 2006
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Battier is a base-year player until July 12. Once that expires, the money matches up and they can make the deal.

    DD
     
    #4 DaDakota, Jun 28, 2006
  5. famicom

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    Can you please explain what a BYC contract is? Or better yet, what a full BYC contract is? Thanks for the info!
     
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  6. Kyrodis

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    If they couldn't be dealt individually, it stands to reason that Howard AND Swift together for Battier wouldn't work either. Because of Battier's BYC status, Swift or Howard by themselves are already too much salary for Memphis to take back.

    Someone brought this up in another thread, and Castor mentioned it in chat. Battier's BYC status may expire at the end of the trade moratorium (7/12). If that's the case then either of our PFs for Battier WILL work capwise.
     
    #6 Kyrodis, Jun 28, 2006
  7. baller4life315

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    Are you 100% positive on this?

    If you are certain then DAMNITand thank you for clearing that up.
     
    #7 baller4life315, Jun 28, 2006
  8. famicom

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    Okay I found the wiki for it:

    Base year compensation

    Players who are in their first year of a new contract extended with the Bird exception are called BYC players. Salaries of these players only count as half for the purpose of matching salaries in a trade. This makes it extremely difficult to trade a player that has recently been extended.
     
    #8 famicom, Jun 28, 2006
  9. Kyrodis

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    Incidentally, that's the reason why I'm not feeling too good about the fact that there "must be more" to this trade. The fact that they're waiting until mid-July to finalize the deal hints that we're getting Battier...and Battier alone.

    Talent-wise, we definitely got fleeced in this deal.
     
    #9 Kyrodis, Jun 28, 2006
  10. m_cable

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    It's pretty simple. On July 12th Battier's base year compensation wears off. Then he can be traded straight up for Stromile.
     
    #10 m_cable, Jun 28, 2006
  11. smoothie

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    ehhhhhhhhhhh

    this cant be a one for one deal.

    at LEAST we should get a future first rounder.
     
    #11 smoothie, Jun 28, 2006
  12. DieHard Rocket

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    Well that clears it up. Hopefully they will throw us a future pick, or cash, or something else in this.

    Stromile OR Gay (I know he can't be traded for salary right now) for Battier would be okay. But we should be getting something else here...a pick, cash, a PF, something.
     
    #12 DieHard Rocket, Jun 28, 2006
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    So is it yearly salary or total contract value (since Battier has 2 more years)?
     
    #13 Icehouse, Jun 28, 2006
  14. m_cable

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    It's always based on the current year's salary. That's why expiring contracts are so valuable. You can dump future dollars for a contract that expires this year.
     
    #14 m_cable, Jun 28, 2006
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