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Business Week- France Offers Better Health Care for Less Money

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  1. gifford1967

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    France offers one possible model the U.S. could follow to achieve universal medical coverage.


    The French Lesson In Health Care

    The nation's system isn't quite as superb as Sicko maintains, but it's pretty good


    Michael Moore's documentary Sicko trumpets France as one of the most effective providers of universal health care. His conclusions and fist-in-your-gut approach may drive some Americans up the wall. But whatever you think of Moore, the French system—a complex mix of private and public financing—offers valuable lessons for would-be health-care reformers in the U.S.

    In Sicko, Moore lumps France in with the socialized systems of Britain, Canada, and Cuba. In fact, the French system is similar enough to the U.S. model that reforms based on France's experience might work in America. The French can choose their doctors and see any specialist they want. Doctors in France, many of whom are self- employed, are free to prescribe any care they deem medically necessary. "The French approach suggests it is possible to solve the problem of financing universal coverage...[without] reorganizing the entire system," says Victor G. Rodwin, professor of health policy and management at New York University.

    France also demonstrates that you can deliver stellar results with this mix of public and private financing. In a recent World Health Organization health-care ranking, France came in first, while the U.S. scored 37th, slightly better than Cuba and one notch above Slovenia. France's infant death rate is 3.9 per 1,000 live births, compared with 7 in the U.S., and average life expectancy is 79.4 years, two years more than in the U.S. The country has far more hospital beds and doctors per capita than America, and far lower rates of death from diabetes and heart disease. The difference in deaths from respiratory disease, an often preventable form of mortality, is particularly striking: 31.2 per 100,000 people in France, vs. 61.5 per 100,000 in the U.S.

    That's not to say the French have solved all health-care riddles. Like every other nation, France is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs. Still, some 65% of French citizens express satisfaction with their system, compared with 40% of U.S. residents. And France spends just 10.7% of its gross domestic product on health care, while the U.S. lays out 16%, more than any other nation.

    To grasp how the French system works, think about Medicare for the elderly in the U.S., then expand that to encompass the entire population. French medicine is based on a widely held value that the healthy should pay for care of the sick. Everyone has access to the same basic coverage through national insurance funds, to which every employer and employee contributes. The government picks up the tab for the unemployed who cannot gain coverage through a family member.

    SAFETY NET
    But the french system is much more generous to its entire population than the U.S. is to its seniors. Unlike with Medicare, there are no deductibles, just modest co- payments that are dismissed for the chronically ill. Additionally, almost all French buy supplemental insurance, similar to Medigap, which reduces their out-of-pocket costs and covers extra expenses such as private hospital rooms, eyeglasses, and dental care.

    In France, the sicker you get, the less you pay. Chronic diseases, such as diabetes, and critical surgeries, such as a coronary bypass, are reimbursed at 100%. Cancer patients are treated free of charge. Patients suffering from colon cancer, for instance, can receive Genentech Inc.'s (DNA ) Avastin without charge. In the U.S., a patient may pay $48,000 a year.

    France particularly excels in prenatal and early childhood care. Since 1945 the country has built a widespread network of thousands of health-care facilities, called Protection Maternelle et Infantile (PMI), to ensure that every mother and child in the country receives basic preventive care. Children are evaluated by a team of private-practice pediatricians, nurses, midwives, psychologists, and social workers. When parents fail to bring their children in for regular checkups, social workers are dispatched to the family home. Mothers even receive a financial incentive for attending their pre- and post-natal visits.

    A typical PMI can be found in Goutte d'Or, a poor neighborhood at the foot of Montmartre that has been home for the past 20 years to a swelling population of immigrants from Africa and Southeast Asia. On Rue Cavé, a tidy modern building is given over entirely to caring for expecting mothers, infants, and young children. The place usually is bustling with kids scrambling over toys, while mothers, often immigrants in colorful headdresses and with babies strapped to their backs, talk to their doctors as part of twice-monthly evaluations.

    PMI and other such programs are starting to get attention in U.S. health-care circles. "If we really want to ensure that no child is left behind, then the PMI system is a good way to do it," says Daniel J. Pedersen, president of the Buffett Early Childhood Fund. "It's based on the practical idea that high-quality investments made at the start of a child's life will pay huge dividends to both the child and society in the future."

    To make all this affordable, France reimburses its doctors at a far lower rate than U.S. physicians would accept. However, French doctors don't have to pay back their crushing student loans because medical school is paid for by the state, and malpractice insurance premiums are a tiny fraction of the $55,000 a year and up that many U.S. doctors pay. That $55,000 equals the average yearly net income for French doctors, a third of what their American counterparts earn. Then again, the French government pays two-thirds of the social security tax for most French physicians—a tax that's typically 40% of income.

    Specialists who have spent at least four years practicing in a hospital are free to charge what they want, and some charge upwards of $675 for a single consultation. But American-style compensation is rare. "There is an unspoken and undefined limit to what you can charge," says Dr. Paul Benfredj, a gastroenterologist in Paris.

    Many French doctors, in fact, earn more by increasing their patient load, or by prescribing more diagnostic tests and procedures—a technique, also popular in the U.S., that inflates health-care costs. So far France has been able to hold down the burden on patients through a combination of price controls and increased government spending, but the latter effort has led to higher taxes for both employers and workers. In 1990, 7% of health-care expenditures were financed out of general revenue taxes, and the rest came from mandatory payroll taxes. By 2003, the general revenue figure had grown to 40%, and it's still not enough. The French national insurance system has been running constant deficits since 1985 and has ballooned to $13.5 billion.

    That's why France is gearing up to make changes. It already requires patients to register with a general practitioner before visiting a specialist, or else agree to a lesser reimbursement, much like many U.S. insurance plans. But France isn't likely to make major changes to a system most citizens say they like. Why would they? Says Shanny Peer, policy director at the independent French-American Foundation: "France gets better results for less money and everyone is covered."

    By Kerry Capell

    http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm?chan=gl
     
  2. Master Baiter

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    I'm game. Any change is better than no change.
     
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    I'd like to check their facts, because I've heard this over and over again:

    — The United States ranked highest on patient satisfaction, followed by Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11285514
     
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    ive heard that as well.
     
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    The United States ranked highest on patient satisfaction, followed by Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden.

    Hmmm. I could see high satisfaction with the actually care and an extremely low satisfaction with the billing / insurance end of it.
     
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    The other cool thing about France is that pharmacists can prescribe medicine. So as long as there is nothing major going on you don't even need to see a doctor.
     
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    That would be a good change even within our current system.
     
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    to a certain point, pharmacy prescribed drugs would make sense but that can be scary territory.

    But im not so sure if americans need easier access to drugs ;)
     
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    Obviously things like Vicadin won't be available from a pharmacy without doctor's consent but other drugs that aren't abused would be available. It honestly is something that is long overdue.
     
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    I'd like someone to actually post that data. I've looked throught the WHO report that NPR referenced, including a search using the terms "patient satisfaction" and just "satisfaction" and I can't find it.
     
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    It's in this section, and it uses the word responsiveness. Maybe I'm stupid, but it took me finding another paper (http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper23.pdf) to figure that out.
     
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    As conservative as I am, I would be for some better nationalized health care in the US. Not so much total nationalization, but I still believe there can be a mix in the middle to provide the best solution.

    I would do my best to marginalize the insurance companies' strange hold on US health care policy. I would want to increase population coverage.

    I would still, however, want the ability for profit to be made in the health care industry. Corporate profits are what drives research and development.

    I still want drug companies to research and create better medication, I still want medical supply companies to create better equipment and technology, I still want medical schools to attract top talent with the possibility of high salaries down the road.

    The fact that insurance companies are basically just a middle man now, taking a cut and driving up costs is bad. The fact that you basically have to work for corporate America to get good health coverage at a decent cost is bad. The fact that there are tens of millions of uncovered people in the US is unacceptable. Those issues can be fixed, I believe.

    A balance must be reached. The ability for open competition and profit making to drive resarch, development and advancement, balanced by the ability to have affordable and reachable health coverage. I don't know what the specific plan is, and I'm wary about giving the government control of it since government control of something usually makes is cost more and deliver less.

    Perhaps government FUNDED health coverage, but not government RUN health.
     
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    I'm still not finding it. Can you cut and paste the section from the report?
     
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    Different standards. In the US, they don't do that much so the education is not as strong. My experiences in France were good. They were always accurate and gave me medicine that did the right job.
     
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    yeah, you are right. there would be a learning curve in terms of education.

    But my experiences in america have always been good, so whats the need for change? ;)
     
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    Does anyone know if there have been any preliminary studies on results in the Massachusetts system? They started universal coverage a few years ago with a private-public partnership that seemed fairly easy and straightforward to implement, but I haven't heard anything about it since then.
     
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    easy and straightforward...that bill will never pass on a federal level :D
     
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    I have type 1 diabetes. I need insulin to stay healthy/alive. Unless there is some medical breakthrough, I will always need insulin. If a non-diabetic takes insulin, it will likely kill him. It has no recreational value. But, if my prescription refills run out, and I have none left, I still need to visit a doctor to get a prescription before I can get more from the pharmacy. This could be a problem if I realize, late Friday night, that my insulin is gone.

    I'd certainly have a bit more peace of mind if I could just get it myself without spending the cash and the time for a doctor's visit. My last two visits to the doctor have involved me walking in and saying, "Hello. I'm diabetic. I take these two types of insulin. I need a refill on my prescription. Thanks, bye."
     

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