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Bush to announce bold new space initiative…

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Dec 4, 2003.

  1. KingCheetah

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    This is very exciting news if it turns out to be true - I question the timing somewhat, but support any boost to our struggling space program.

    Milky Way Days
    Returning to the new frontier.

    By Dennis E. Powell

    When President Bush delivers a speech recognizing the centenary of heavier-than-air-powered flight December 17, it is expected that he will proffer a bold vision of renewed space flight, with at its center a return to the moon, perhaps even establishment of a permanent presence there. If he does, it will mean that he has decided the United States should once again become a space-faring nation. For more than 30 years America's manned space program has limited itself to low Earth orbit; indeed, everyone under the age of 31 — more than 125 million Americans — was born since an American last set foot on the moon.

    The speech will come at a time when events are converging to force some important decisions about the future of American efforts in space. China has put a man in orbit, plans a launch of three Sinonauts together, and has announced its own lunar program. The space shuttle is grounded, and its smaller sibling, the "orbital space plane," may not be built. The International Space Station, behind schedule, over budget, and of limited utility, has been scaled back post-Columbia.

    The content of the speech does not appear to be in doubt; the only question is timing. While those who have formulated it have argued that it be delivered on the anniversary of the Wright Brothers' first powered flight, there exists a slight possibility that it will instead be incorporated in the State of the Union address at the end of January. This has its own, less triumphant, significance, which is in the form of a chilling coincidence. Every American who has died in a spacecraft has done so within one calendar week: The Apollo 204 fire on January 27, 1967; the Challenger disaster on January 28, 1986; and the loss of Columbia on February 1, 2003.

    If the president goes ahead with the plan to announce an ambitious new program to carry Americans beyond Earth's immediate gravitational pull, he will argue that the new lunar explorations are justified not only for what they themselves might produce but also as a means of developing the technology and skills necessary for a mission to Mars, which is expected to be mentioned, though in less-specific terms, in the address.

    Observers might note a familiar ring to the proposal. On July 20, 1989, President George H. W. Bush marked the 20th anniversary of the first Apollo moon landing with a speech at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington in which he called for a permanent American presence on the moon and, ultimately, a mission to Mars.

    That address led to the formation of a group called the "Space Exploration Initiative," headed by Vice President Quayle and NASA Administrator Richard Truly, which in the spring of 1991 released a report, "America at the Threshold." It set a long-term goal of landing Americans on Mars, with space activities in the interim leading up to that goal. First, it recommended, would be "Space Station Freedom" — now the ISS — followed by a return to the moon, in large measure to develop and test systems for keeping people alive on a Mars journey. The development of rocket boosters more powerful than the mighty Saturn V that lifted Apollo astronauts to the moon would be necessary, the report said, as would development of nuclear systems for providing power aboard in-transit spacecraft, and nuclear-powered rockets, to be employed outside Earth's atmosphere, where they could be used on long missions without the need to carry enormous supplies of conventional rocket propellant. None of the recommendations was carried out as envisioned at the time; the only one that got off the ground at all is the space station.

    The president's speech could breathe new life into a moribund space program whose recent history has been beset by disappointment and failure. The space shuttle proved neither as reliable or as inexpensive as its proponents had promised. In 18 years of flight (the shuttle was grounded for 30 months following the Challenger disaster, and has been grounded since the loss of Columbia February 1), half of the original shuttle fleet has been lost to catastrophic failure, along with 14 astronauts. The cost of a shuttle mission has hovered around $500 million despite early claims that it would be much less and would allow payloads to be carried aloft for as little as $50 per pound. The launch schedule has been unreliable, with many space customers wondering if their satellites would ever get to orbit; in some cases satellites have remained on the ground so long that their power supplies ran down and had to be replaced before launch. The shuttle program has been so frustrating to scientists that it was characterized by Bruce Murray, former head of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, as "a giant WPA in the sky."

    Some critics say the space station offers little or nothing more, with a far-higher price tag. It is "international" as to the origin of some of its parts and some of its crew and, while the shuttle is grounded, the craft used to ferry the maintenance crews and supplies, but most of it is paid for by the United States. Some critics have argued that it is less a space station than an extension of the State Department.

    Charles Krauthammer has noted that an orbiting United Nations is unlikely to be any less foolish than one fixed on planet Earth. "The moon and Mars are beckoning," he wrote in January, 2000. "So why are we spending so much of our resources building a tinker-toy space station? In part because, a quarter-century late, we still need something to justify the shuttle. Yet the space station's purpose has shrunk to almost nothing. No one takes seriously its claims to be a platform for real science." Establishment of a permanent moon base and research and engineering work toward a flight to Mars would certainly replenish the idea of a space program engaged in real exploration.

    Whether a return to the moon would spark the public's imagination as it did in the 1960s is unknown. The world was transfixed July 20, 1969, as Apollo 11 landed and Neil Armstrong became the first man to stand on a celestial body other than Earth. But public and political enthusiasm for the moon soon waned. There were five more landings; the final three lunar shots were canceled. The last moon flight was in December 1972. No human has achieved escape velocity since.

    A new space initiative would face numerous hurdles, including congressional Democrats who in the present political climate would be likely to challenge a presidential declaration that the sky is blue. Additionally, congressional distrust of NASA is vigorous on both sides of the aisle following the Columbia accident. Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R., N.Y.), and Rep. Ralph Hall, (D., Tex.), recently asked that NASA stop work on the $13 billion "orbital space plane," a smaller, cheaper space shuttle, until Congress and the president agree on NASA's goals. Others in Congress have argued that the space shuttle should remain on the ground permanently. The fact that a revamped space program would employ many people — especially in places such as Silicon Valley, where unemployment among engineers is high — might blunt much criticism, however.

    There are ideas and proposals that could offset concerns as to the value of returning to the moon and, perhaps, traveling beyond. Geologists are eager to take lunar-core samples, which could tell much about the solar system's past and how the moon itself was formed. It has recently been suggested that sunlight collected on the moon and beamed to Earth could provide a no-pollution source of power. Bill McInnis, a leading NASA engineer before he resigned in despair over shuttle-safety issues and ultimately took his own life, long lobbied for a return to the moon and talked of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence and the folly of putting our antennae on Earth. "The signals we're looking for are so weak that the effects of somebody turning on a light a hundred miles away are stronger," he said. "The place to do it, the place to be free of Earthbound interference — that's the other side of the moon. The moon is the ultimate space station, it is where we can really learn things." Certainly, long-term lunar experience would facilitate a trip to Mars.

    NASA's budget has been far short of lavish since the last time the agency was aiming for the moon. The president has remarked to members of the White House space group that he does not favor a huge increase in spending for NASA projects. Whether he has changed his mind, and the extent to which he is willing to sell an ambitious new program of space exploration remains to be seen. If Bush does deliver the speech as planned, it would be another opportunity for him to finish business left pending when his father left office a decade ago.

    — Dennis E. Powell is a freelance writer, currently at work on a history of the space-shuttle program.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/powell200312030858.asp
     
  2. GreenVegan76

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    Awesome news!

    I'd much rather go to Mars than the moon, but it's a fantastic first step in that direction.
     
  3. No Worries

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    Fire those printing presses!!!
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    This would be a Bush policy that I would support, especially if he allows NASA to license developed technology as a way to recoup costs and help pay for the space program.
     
  5. Oski2005

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    I'm down.
     
  6. mleahy999

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    I don't think we've had a moon landing for over 30 years since those Apollo missions. Have we gained sufficient knowledge of the moon that we needn't go back for further exploration? Furthermore, I'm still skeptical about the moon landing. Fox made a convincing presentation a while back.
     
  7. mleahy999

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    Mars would be great, but it might be a suicide mission. I don't think we have the technology or the logistical support to send a manned mission for that far of a distance. Plus, there isn't a deep sleep pod like in the movies. Some dummy would have to sit on a ship for years and when they do come back, it'll be time for them to collect their pension.
     
  8. rimrocker

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    I'm a pro-space kind of guy, buy over the last 25 years, NASA has become so screwed up and so contractor heavy that my immediate reaction to any space initiative coming from this administration would be to look at it as more corporate welfare. If we're serious about space, we need to reform or scrap NASA, and get back to the type of organization (primarily govt. employees) who make the decisions. By putting the profit motive into the space agency you end up with things like cheap parts and short-circuited safety procedures. I want us to go to Mars and beyond. I want us to have a robust space program... but the current infrastructure is too wedded to profit and politics to be effective long-term. NASA is now no different than DOD or DOE in regards to contracts, corporate control, revolving doors, etc. They are living off the good vibe that still emanates from the "Right Stuff" era. Any grand space initiative must address in a real way the management and organizational deficiencies in NASA or come up with something new. I hope we get to that point sometime soon.
     
  9. ROXTXIA

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    With all due respect for NASA and the thousands it employs, I have misgivings about space programs that the Bush administration supports. Yes, yes, I can't stand the guy, but I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt just to say that I can.

    But this might be the camel-nose-in-the-tent-flap thing. We've been handing wars and military contracts to the Project for the New American Century; part of that group's plan is to militarize outer space. Which seems an extravagant ---no, grotesque----waste of money, given the sorry state of education and health care and everything else.

    *sigh* I'm such a Democrat.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    I agree with rimrocker here in part. The state of NASA's culture is pretty sad, and it is completely different than the agency that took humans to the moon (and back, I might add, which is pretty tricky). I've worked for NASA, and my father worked there for a few decades, so I feel like I've had a close view.

    Where I disagree with rimrocker, most of you in general, and with the president, is on the idea of manned space travel. It was a brilliant milestone in its day, but it is so impractical, scientifically. We can learn so much more, much more quickly, and for much less money, if we build bold unmanned probes.

    Just one example here... solar flares are almost entirely unpredictable. A ship going to Mars would have no way to hide from the amazing burst of charged particles coming out of a solar flare. The astronauts would be absolutely toast. (Yes, the apollo people would have been toast also, but that was a much shorter mission with less chance of a flare). So, for the Mars mission, we'd have to build a space ship with *meters* of extra armor to avoid the chance of having crispy fried space pilots. That's just one example...

    Maybe the counterargument to me is that we'd have to develop all sorts of new technology to protect the humans, and that's where the big pay-off to society is. Maybe, maybe no.
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    Please tell us that the lack of a "wink-wink" smilie following this portion of your post was merely an oversight.
     
  12. rimrocker

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    You are correct in that probes are cheaper and there are very good arguments for completely doing away with manned flights. Call me a romantic, but if we did that, we might save money, but we'd also be poorer.
     
  13. ima_drummer2k

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    Totally agree with this.
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    Yes, its called a coma.
     
  15. pgabriel

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    Bush does have alot of open space that needs to be occupied.

    *rimshot*
     
  16. B-Bob

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    Yeah, I hear you. And by that I don't mean I agree. :)

    It seems to me that scientists overwhelmingly want to avoid manned space flight, but it's considered an option simply for the PR involved. To m, it's completely romantic to be exploring the stars in any way at all! I just feel like the humans will completely be props in a Mars mission... expensive, fragile, resource consuming props.

    Sincerely,
    Model 827749-- er, I mean, B-Bob, a red-blooded human, yeah!
     
  17. rimrocker

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    Shhh. Hal's listening.
     
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    "I'm not sure why the Hall 100 is calling himself B-Bob.
    But then, the early models had many problems. Most
    of the 100 line has been taken off line."
     
  19. mleahy999

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    Are you questioning the credibility and integrity of Fox based on it's propensity for burlesque and circus programming? Or because of it's affiliation to the carnival barkers on FoxNews? Either way, it was good to know that a group of little people can pull a plane faster than an elephant.
     
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    Hall 100. Would you like me to sing a song for you?
    I like to sing this on the way to Mars. ... Daisy, daisy..."
     

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