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Bush May Invoke Executive Privilege to Keep 9/11 Docs Away From Congress

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  1. No Worries

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    http://www.msnbc.com/news/910676.asp?0cv=KB10

    September 11 Showdown
    Will the White House block a terror panel’s access to critical documents? Plus, here’s another reason to badmouth France


    May 7 — An imminent and potentially nasty confrontation over an independent commission’s authority to investigate the White House’s handling of the September 11 terror attacks was narrowly averted last week—just before President Bush landed a jet aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln in a carefully crafted ceremony touting the toppling of Saddam Hussein as a major victory in the war on terrorism.

    BUT THE BATTLE over the issue is far from over. In fact, NEWSWEEK has learned, President Bush’s chief lawyer has privately signaled that the White House may seek to invoke executive privilege over key documents relating to the attacks in order to keep them out of the hands of investigators for the National Commission on Terror Attacks Upon the United States—the independent panel created by Congress to probe all aspects of 9-11.

    Some commission members now fear a showdown over the issue—particularly over extremely sensitive National Security Council minutes and presidential briefing papers—could be coming in the next few weeks. “We do think it’s important to engage this issue relatively early—i.e., now,” says Philip Zelikow, the executive director for the commission, who is negotiating with administration lawyers to inspect documents and interview senior officials.

    Zelikow says he is still hopeful an accommodation can be reached with administration lawyers and that the issue is now in the hands of senior officials in the White House. But he made it clear that the 9-11 panel has no intention of backing down from its insistence that it receive full access to a wide range of material that has never been reviewed by any outside body—much less made public. “We expect to get what we need,” Zelikow says. “We’re not going to go quietly into that good night.”

    Zelikow’s comments, and even stronger ones from some commission members, suggest that last week’s brief contretemps over access to transcripts of secret congressional testimony was only one small flare-up in a much broader and potentially high-stakes struggle that could ultimately wind up in federal court.

    Just two weeks ago, one commission member, Tim Roemer, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana, had sought to read transcripts of three days of closed hearings that had been held last fall by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees—hearings that Roemer, as a member of the House panel, had actually participated in.

    But when Roemer went down to a carefully guarded room on Capitol Hill to read the classified transcripts—he says to refresh his memory—he was stunned to learn that he couldn’t have access to them. The reason, relayed by a congressional staffer, was that Zelikow had acceded to a request by an administration official to permit lawyers to first review them to determine if the transcripts contained testimony about “privileged” material.

    Roemer called the deal “outrageous” and 9-11 family members victims bombarded the panel with angry calls. But late Tuesday, White House lawyers relented, thereby averting an embarrassing public escalation of the dispute—and inevitable charges of a White House cover-up—that could well have marred last Thursday’s highly publicized ceremony aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln in which Bush declared the military action in Iraq “one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001, and still goes on.”

    But that by no means settled the matter, sources say. Publicly, the White House has pledged cooperation with the panel and two months ago chief of staff Andrew Card even distributed a memo to agency chiefs instructing them to work with the panel and provide them access to documents. But privately, talks have been far more problematic. Thomas Kean, the former Republican governor of New Jersey who Bush named to chair the panel, confirmed to NEWSWEEK that in private talks with White House chief council Alberto Gonzales, the president’s chief lawyer, has already told him that he “may seek to invoke executive privilege” over some documents sought by the commission.

    Executive privilege is a doctrine traditionally invoked by all White Houses to keep confidential briefings or advice given to the president. But the precise boundaries of the doctrine are hardly settled. And it is far from clear how a White House attempt to withhold material from a congressionally authorized national commission on 9-11 will play out.

    Gonzales and the rest of the White House legal staff are known to feel particularly passionate about the sanctity of staff advice given to the president—a view that reflects Bush’s and Vice President Dick Cheney’s adamant opinion that internal executive-branch decision-making should be conducted without fear of congressional or media scrutiny. “Those are like the crown jewels—we’ll never give those up,” one White House lawyer predicted to NEWSWEEK recently when asked about presidential briefing papers that were likely to be sought by the commission.

    But some commission members say it might be politically difficult for the White House to sustain that position—especially given the panel’s broad legal mandate to unearth all pertinent facts relating to the events of 9-11. The invocation of executive privilege could fuel suspicions that the White House is stonewalling the panel in order to cover up politically embarrassing mistakes. “I think they have got to be worried about this,” says one panel member. “This is a bipartisan commission, and we’ve got the family members.”

    Among the most sensitive documents the commission is known to be interested in reviewing are internal National Security Council minutes from the spring and summer of 2001 when the CIA and other intelligence agencies were warning that an attack by Al Qaeda could well be imminent. The panel is also expected to seek interviews with key principals—such as national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice and her chief deputy, Stephen J. Hadley—to question them both about advice they gave the president and about what actions they took to deal with the rising concerns of intelligence-community officials about the Qaeda threat.

    An equally dicey subject, sources say, is the commission’s expected request to review debriefings of key Al Qaeda suspects who have been arrested—such as Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh—who played critical roles in the 9-11 plot. The intelligence community has treated those debriefs as among the most highly classified material in the government, and the Justice Department is stoutly resisting a ruling by the federal judge overseeing the Zacarias Moussoui case to make bin al-Shibh available to the defense.

    But commission members argue that they can’t possibly do their job to write an authoritative history of 9-11 if they can’t discover what the federal government has learned from Al Qaeda operatives who know the most about how the plot was put together.

    TERRORISTS? WHAT TERRORISTS?

    After his trip to Damascus last weekend, Secretary of State Colin Powell proclaimed new progress in the war on terror. The Syrian government, he announced, had agreed to shut down offices of Hamas and two other militant anti-Israel groups that the U.S. government views as violent terrorist organizations.

    It is still far from clear how much the Syrians will actually make good on their promises to Powell. But if they do, Syria may turn out to be more helpful than some of the United States’ supposed European allies in the war on terror. Despite renewed pressure from the Bush administration, the European Union is refusing to crack down on some of the same organizations on the grounds that they aren’t terrorists—despite their role in staging suicide bombings against Israeli civilians.

    The issue came to a head late last year, NEWSWEEK has learned, when Jimmy Gurule—then a top U.S. Treasury official involved in cracking down on terrorist financing—asked his counterparts at the European Union to freeze the assets of six organizations on Washington’s terrorist list. According to a copy of the list obtained by NEWSWEEK, the targeted groups included Hamas, two Hamas-related businesses (the Al-Azsa Religious Bank and Beit al-mal Holdings) and Hizbullah, as well as two others outside the Middle East, the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka and the Communist Party of the Philippines. But in the case of Hamas and Hizbullah, the European Union refused. The purported reason: both groups run large-scale social services and medical operations in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. The Europeans say that they have no problem going after the terrorist arms of both outfits—but not the entire group, a distinction that Washington rejects as meaningless.

    At the moment, sources tell NEWSWEEK, the issue is at a stalemate—one more sign that when it comes to the war on terror, the perspective in Washington can often be sharply different than the view in other capitals, even those of our traditional allies.

    © 2003 Newsweek, Inc.
     
  2. underoverup

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    I really don't understand why sensitive information can't be released to the independent investigative team assigned to study the events causing the 9/11 attack. I can understand not releasing all the information to the public, if there is classified documents that could hurt national security. Invoking executive privilege to keep the information from congressional investigative team headed by a Republican is strange if not scary.
     
  3. MacBeth

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    Exec. privilege....wow...yet more shades of the 50's....
     
  4. mrpaige

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    Or shades of the late '90s.

    While I think the President is incorrect (based on my admittedly limited understanding of the nuances of the argument), it's not as if this is the first time since Eisenhower that a President has attempted to invoke Executive Priviledge. I do recall the last guy doing it.

    (Plus, wasn't Tailgunner Joe twarted by Exec. Priv.?)
     
  5. MacBeth

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    1) Yes...I talked about this in another thread...re: the McCarthy papers. I said that the Eisenhower invention of Exec Priv. was the most lasting negative effect of McCartyism...As such, I obviously don't think that it's the only time it was used. However, in this case so many things are reminding me of the 50s these days that this one was just another drop in the bucket.

    2) Yeah...but it was another ill fated end justifies means thing which has bit us in the ass.
     
  6. RocketMan Tex

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    Because there is something nasty that Junior doesn't want the committee to find out about. Perhaps it has to do with the Administration's summer 2001 dealings with the Taliban regarding an oil pipeline in Afghanistan.
     
  7. mrpaige

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    Or there's nothing and the President just wants to protect the internal communications of the White House from Congressional Scrutiny. It's quite common for groups to fight for their right to protect internal communications even when there is nothing of substance in them. While I would argue that such a stance does make people suspicious and should be avoided, people in power often don't agree with me.

    They have obviously moved to prevent documents with nothing of substance in them from scrutiny. The transcripts mentioned in the article are among those (even though they did eventually give those up).
     
  8. underoverup

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    The Bush administration is withholding information that will assist the 9/11 terrorism investigation. They are giving the public the appearance they are hiding something, which is a poor example either to set or to follow.
     
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  9. MacBeth

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    1) So you are saying that it makes sense to keep information about a security incident from a body trying to investigate security incidents with the purpose of preventing future security incidents....for the sake of security?


    2) How is it 'obvious'?
     
  10. mrpaige

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    It does make sense on a certain level, especially when it comes to not wanting to set precedent. But as I said, I wouldn't go that way if it were me.

    And there is often a powerful desire for those in power to keep things secret even when those things are immaterial and shouldn't be secret. It's not just this President. I've seen the behavior everywhere. A Presidential candidate who doesn't want to release his medical reports. A county sheriff who sues to prevent release of criminal activity even when the information eventually shows that crime has gone down significantly under the sheriff's watch. City Councils who chose to invoke closed sessions even when it wasn't warranted.

    I've even had to personally beat back a challenge from a county clerk when I wanted to pull some divorce records. She started asking me all sorts of questions about why I wanted them even though they were public records that had nothing to do with her.

    And you know what? I invoked my own executive priv. and didn't tell her why I wanted them, even though it didn't make any real difference whether she knew.

    We are, generally, private people. This particular President appears extremely private, so I don't take his wanting to keep internal communications private (something all Presidents have wanted to do) is anything necessarily sinister anymore than I think my wanting to look at my parents' divorce decree was anything sinister even though I didn't tell the clerk my reasons for wanting to see it.

    I just don't think you can assume guilt based on a desire for privacy in communications. But I'm open-minded like that.

    People who were in the meetings reported no smoking gun against the President, etc. Yet the President still was going to move to keep those transcripts private.

    Or do you think the people there simply didn't notice all sorts of bad things and won't notice them until they read the transcripts?
     
  11. No Worries

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    Methinks when a person chooses to run for president and win, they loose a great deal of privacy.

    I think the bottom line is that the documents in question (National Security Council minutes and presidential briefing papers) will give the president POLITICAL problems.

    I bet that the NSC warned the President about potential terrorist attacks. The President would have a difficult time explaining why he did not act on this information.

    The issue being addressed goes way beyond politics. The President's desire for privacy appears to be completely self serving, at the expense of the National Commission on Terror Attacks Upon the United States.
     
  12. ROXTXIA

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    The reasons that executive privilege are being invoked (some of you will just dismiss this out of hand, but I'm not making it up):

    The investigation being conducted involves finding out just what happened on 9/11, and why it happened, and how, and so forth.

    Israel's Mossad intelligence agency warned the U.S. that the U.S. could expect an attack from the sky. Other sources gave us the same information. This was in the summer of 2001.

    What did we do? Nothing.

    Anyone remember the videotape of Mohammed Atta and his buddy boarding their flight on 9/11? If we had heightened our security as was needed, they would have never been allowed on the flight.

    OK, not enough of a smoking gun? OK.

    Air Force and/or Navy jets are supposed to be launched almost immediately when aircraft deviate from their flight plans. On 9/11, no planes were launched until well after everything was over.

    Either we're talking about gross incompetence...and I mean, grotesque, Keystone Cops incompetence....or someone told those planes to stand down. If the planes were told to stand down, why?

    Paul Wolfewitz, years ago, in his document that basically became the neo-con plan implemented by this administration, basically mentioned that in order to circumvent the United Nations and act unilaterally in whatever countries we deemed to be a threat, said that it would take some action against the United States "on the scale of Pearl Harbor"etc etc, basically, to get public opinion behind such an enterprise.

    Few people are stating aloud where this might be going, but they want to know, Is all this a giant giant giant series of coincidences, or....?

    Personally I think the administration would be dumb as sin to keep everything on paper. Better to pretend to lose documents and say so then get caught in what is being implied.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    basically take the hint from their friends at ENRON and ARTHUR ANDERSON

    Shred them

    Rocket River
     
  14. ron413

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    ROXTRIA, that is some or the most ridiculous comments to grace the great message board of Clutch City. You are making all of that up just like Michael Moore made up alot of the junk in his movie Bowling for Columbine, which is not a documentary but a "comedy".

    If all of what you say is true, why don't you just write a book or make a movie if you feel your cause to be just. It is not like the Administration is shredding these highly confidential documents, it is just too sensitive for the liberals to get their hands on and spew their rhetoric.
     
  15. No Worries

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    that is some or the most ridiculous comments to grace the great message board of Clutch City.

    Nuts to the terrorists, it is those d*mn liberals that we have to worry about. Only in America.
     
  16. MadMax

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    couple of thoughts here:

    1. just because you read it somewhere, doesn't mean it's not made up.

    2. i accept that it's possible YOU didn't make these up

    3. conspiracy theories are fun to read

    4. we've had warnings about terrorism on our soil for years...for decades.
     
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    Ron, Roxtia is being mild with his comments today.

    Roxtia has actually come to this BBS, and charged that Bush purposely allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur for political advantage! LOL, give a young man a book by Gore Vidal, and watch out!
     
  18. ron413

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    Nuts to the terrorists? You are one sick puppy...

    I was just commenting on how the Liberal Democratic Nominee's for President (and some crazy extremists like Paul Byrd) are just going crazy looking for any possible way to badmouth GW to further their political aspirations instead of actually running their campaign on a solid platform that has some substance to it.

    But hey, if the Democrats are so stupid as to keep on doing the same thing they have been doing the last 3 years, then I am fine with that. Just making things alot easier for Bush in 2004...
     
  19. No Worries

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    Hey ron413, did you ever think that this may be a lose-lose situation for Bush?

    If he discloses, we will know what Bush knew, which could be quite damning.

    If he does not disclose, we will have to assume the very worst, which could be more daming.

    The smart thing to do maybe to disclose now, when the 2004 elections are still way off into the future. Of course, they may impact Bush's political agenda, like tax cuts, but increase his chances of re-election.
     
  20. ron413

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    Quite damning? There you go again assuming.

    We all know what happens when you assume too much...

    I am 100% in support of President George W. Bush, so you are asking the wrong person about a lose-lose situation because I trust that his administration will do the right thing concerning National Security.
     

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