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Bush doesn't have the huevos to stand up to Sharon.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Apr 11, 2002.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    Responding to 9/11 was very easy. He told the Taliban to turn over Bin Laden or else. "Your with us or agin us". "Dead or alive". The tougher he acted and talked the higher his popularity polling. Ovrnight he went from being the guy who lost the popular vote to record high approval ratings. All his advisors were in agreement. Easy.

    Now contrast that with his current tough talk statements that he expected Sharon to withdraw his offensive "without delay" or "that he meant what I said"

    His advisors are not all in agreement, the usual hawks wanted to give Sharon the green light indfinitely. The Isarael lobby will make him pay a political price to his approval ratings. Notice how they've got all the senators chomping at the bit to criticize Bush and demand more support for Sharon.

    Bumbling, Bush has to explain why Arafat is not a terrorist though Sharon calls him one and says to Bush what happened to "wit us or agin us".

    Much to his dismay Bush has to make a decision that could cost him some of his approval rating and he has to do it when his handlers haven't reached a consensus.

    When it isn't easy it is too tough for Bush, so Sharon can tell him to take a hike. Now there are only statements from Sharon/Peres telling Bush that it will take another two or three weeks or more.

    No more "I meant what I saids" from Bush.

    Sort of sad in a way; he was looking so tough, so decisive, so tall in the saddle.
     
  2. HOOP-T

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    OK, but what do eggs have to do with it?

    :p
     
  3. Franchise2001

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    Maybe it is not Bush's place to tell him what to do. To compare treating Sharon the same as the Taliban is absurd. Like I said in another thread. Atleast Sharon is honest in his responses to Bush. Arafat has not once tried to crack down on terror groups when Bush asked him to. His police arrested people and then let them go a few weeks later. Bush is doing his best to make himself not look like a hypocrite. He asked his people and the world for resolve. However, he has not shown Israel the same respect on their fight against their own terrorists.
     
  4. Timing

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    LMAO I was thinkin the same thing.
     
  5. Jeff

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    glynch: You WAY overstate it, methinks. Bush is in a tough situation, to be sure. To maintain stability in the region, they need a leader they can deal with in Palestine and Arafat is it for now. They also have to look and act tough against Israel. BUT, they must be "tough on terror" and try to find support for what is almost an undoubtedly lost cause for now in the potential removal of Hussein in Iraq.

    The problem is that the world is seeing how bad both sides are behaving. Forcibly keeping civilians in their homes without food. Suicide bombers. Bombing refugee camps. Sending children to blow themselves up.

    At least when Israel wasn't retaliating, they didn't give their detractors, of whom there are many across the globe, the ability to second-guess them in that regard. Now, they are ignoring the majority of the world's calls to stop and making themselves look as bad as the Palestinians in the process. Maybe worse, some are actually sympathizing with Arafat, someone who, even from those in the Arab world, never got a ton support or sympathy.

    The whole situation is bad and the world is getting tired of hearding about it. That is bad for both governments and puts Bush in a really tight spot in dealing with it.
     
  6. RocketMan Tex

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    BINGO! We have a winner!
     
  7. DrewP

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    LoL, exact thing I was thinking!
     
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    i hate those terrorists.
     
  9. glynch

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    You guys might be pulling my leg, but "huevos" is slang for balls in Spanish. As a matter fact some polite spanish speakers don't even refer to eggs as huevos, in parts of Mexico because of the slang useage. Thought that was almost like macho in its widespread useage in English. I should have said balls but it sounded so crude and now I have to explain it.

    Jeff, you are right it is overstating the case, just rying to be inflammatory and generate responses. It may just be that Bush really didn't mean it, really. This might be true. He still supports Sharon, but wants to enlist Arab support for his longed far invsion of Iraq. Hopefully, Jeff as a pacifist you don't support our planned war with Iraq.

    Still think that even though I disapprove of his actions, Sharon is much more a man of courage than Bush. He doesn't respect Bush's resolve. I haven't seen much that makes me respect it either. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong on this issue.

    Jeff, what I don't agree with you perhaps is wrt to Arafat. Both Sharon and Arafat are terrorists, as the word is often used. There is a moral or perhaps immoral equivalency. Anyone who doesn't admit this is playing a political game. Men of immoral violent actions you like are called "terrorists" those you support are called President, leader, defenders of Western Civ. etc.

    Terrorism is a very politically laoded word. I just saw Rabbi Michael Lerner of Tikkun Magazine on the Alan Keye's show on MSNBC last night. He readily admitted that Begin who later became a peace maker and many of the founders of Israel were terrorists in their day.

    Arafat is as legitimate as Sharon, period. They need to make peace and we should be judging them on who has been more of a peace maker in recent years. I say Arafat. Sharon seems to be the same old unreconstructed man of violence pushing Israel to be more extreme, and Arafat is actually a moderate in the current situation from the Palestinian side. Sharon made it clear from day one he wanted to undo past peacemaking, didn't believe in Oslo and wanted to remove Arafat and the Palestinian Authority. Now Sharon reallly "meant what he said".

    I really don't think what Bush should do for the betterment of America, the Palestinians and peaceful Israelis is that hard to figure out. He must face down Sharonism. The problem is whether he has the will to do so, given that it is not risk free politically for him.
     
  10. cson

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    Is it really spelled "Sharon" ? :D
     
  11. glynch

    glynch Member

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    Maybe it is like a boy named Sue. That's why he became so tough and violent.
     
  12. giddyup

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    "Ariel" doesn't carry the impact of "George" either but they both beat the hell our of Yassir!
     
  13. subtomic

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    Are you sure you don't mean "cajones?"
     
  14. NCSTATEFAN

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    No way, he meant to say "gonads."
     

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