Bush Cancels Swiss Trip Due To Fear Of Torture Prosecution, Mass Protests

Its not your typical sane liberals either. A lot of my coworkers are liberals and we get along just fine and joke about our different views. On here (perhaps its the internet) you get your far extremist ANGRY, grumpy, psychotic liberals calling for torture and hanging Bush.

Also Bush's legacy will be fine when viewed in history. Plenty of Presidents have done worse and no one will ever remember that. In history he will be rememebered as the President that responded to 9/11. Much like how Truman/Roosevelt is remembered during WWII and Pearl Habor. Those men have their fair share of controversy but yet are still glorified through out history, cinema and the media.

Also do you not think the same things are happening at Gitmo or in Afghanistan today? Its a war and nasty things happen behind prison walls. Obama has not really done anything differently than Bush and in fact has continued his wars and expanded one of them. Only difference is the angry liberals arn't screaming (or at least less loudly) about it anymore.

By the way I am against the wars and did not vote for Bush.

 

you know its much more fun when you pretend to be balanced, there are more liberals on here, but I would bet that the percentage of angry liberals is the same as conservatives, just look who you are responding to.

yeah, because there is a choice of president who can respond to an event at a specific time? Bush's response to 9-11 includes Iraq, its cute to just remember the imediate time following if you're pro-bush

Obama extended Iraq? that's just the first thing wrong with the last of your post

 

I wonder if any of them have MPD.

 

I didn't deny there were not any angry extreme conservatives on here. There are plenty of them too. But the subject mentioned were the liberals.

I'm not saying anything about a choice of President all I am saying is his legacy and what Bush will be remembered for. And he will be remembered for 9/11.

Well last I checked we still has troops in there although on the decline. But he basically move troops from Iraq to Afghan.

I was hoping he would end both wars and get out of there.

 

hey look one of them showed up

 

I'm not sure which President has done something worse than authorize torture and start a first strike war based on false information when there were still other options to pursue... at least US presidents.

 

*once (thanks to the Supreme Court)

 

Vietnam was started based on....?

 

Vietnam was started on the idea we were helping allies and escalated based on false information.

The official authorization of torture isn't there either.

 

Is that all he will be remembered for? What a selective memory.

How about starting the bank bailouts? I guess he was just following in the footsteps of his hero FDR.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/04/bush-signs-wall-street-bailout/

Or illegal surveillance on everybody! http://articles.cnn.com/2005-12-17/politics/bush.nsa_1_wiretaps-constitutional-responsibilities-and-authorities-national-security-agency?_s=PMOLITICS

And how about expanding the federal government? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9307-2005Feb8.html

Yes, history (read:conservative history) will remember shrub for 9-11 and totally forget how he screwed up everything else. Way to stay fair and balanced

 

I can't believe that there are people left who defend dubya. Silly Americans.


This is coming from an American.

 

Dude chill out. I am not saying thats what I will remember him as. I agree with some of the points you made. I am saying being judged in history (if you are even going to be remembered) you are usually remembered for one defining issue and for Bush its going to be 9/11 whether you like it or not. 20, 30, 40, 50, 100 years from now no one is going to be talking about bank bailouts, wire tapping, or expanding the federal govt. Just think about it. Can you name who was president 50 years ago and what the issues were then off the top of your head?

 

Why yes. Why yes I can. JFK was the president. Let me see civil rights, the cold war and cuba. That's off the top of my head.

I did and do think about it. That's why there are presidential libraries, historians and archives, so that hopefully we can learn from what happened before. You believe that he will be remembered for just that, of course Giuliani might have something to say about that too.

Nixon might be well known for Watergate, LBJ for Vietnam, Carter for Camp David Accords, Clinton for Monica Lewinsky but anybody who actually pays attention or actually cares about their country will know/remember more than you say they will.

There are people on this forum talking about the founding fathers and what they believed. And that was way more than 50, 100, 150 or even 200 years ago.

 

i can!

50 years ago = 1961 - kennedy was just taking office. off the top of my head, the issues he was facing were the soviets and their growing sphere of influence, nuclear arms race, cuba, civil rights reform, segregation, the influence of the increasingly powerful and secretive CIA and our involvement in vietnam as 'advisers' to name a few.

what do i win!

 

it's proven Armitage "outed" Plame. sorry the truth doesn't fit your narrative.

still waiting for the Obama Politburo to arrest W and put him to death...

 

IMO, he will be remembered for Iraq above all else.

 

This story is probably exaggerated, but I do feel badly, and have always felt badly for W.

He was doing what he thought was best at every turn, but he had an acidic stream of some of the worst advice a president has ever received coming in his ear, day after day after day. The world will never figure out what's so obvious to most of us: it's the Cheney, stupid.

And now W is a retired president who can't even jet around the globe to support causes he supports, because of his proto-authoritarian team of advisors? Very sad. He'll always have Texas, and you could do worse of course.

 

you talking about this?

 

Read it and weep.