Britons react negatively to Niqab - What about here?

I think it's more of a problem there because Muslims aren't integrating as well into society as in America. Here, you don't see so many extremist, hateful Muslims. So I think it would be less of a big deal.

So my vote is no.

 

interestly enough cnn had a story on today about women in iran fighting for more equal rights. I couldn't imagine a woman wanting to wear these things because of the implied meaning.

 

Banning dress for any reason seems stupid. In the USA, as long as there are structures (for instance women's shelters and restraining orders) set up which allow a woman to get away from controlling husbands, I think the 'controlling relatives' issue shouldn't be a basis for a legal concern.

That it makes it identification difficult, such as for police, is an issue to me. I don’t know the answer. However, I think most of the people who want to make it illegal perhaps want to do so for wrong or misguided reasons (for instance, it offends cultural sentiments on feminism).

I have trouble understanding why someone would want to wear one. But I think it is wrong to say that I can say with finality that it is a mater of coercion. Victorian Women wore freaky whale bone corsets which mutilated their bodies and caused problems with internal organs, and they did so willingly.

 

Unless the clothing interferes with the functioning of a job, then I do not think the government should ban it.

It's one thing to force a teacher or lawyer to take it off if they can't be heard and interfere's with their job duty....or to say you're working near a fire and it's a safety risk.

But anything else is contrarian to a free society, and violates the spirit of the bill of rights.

That being said, I'd recommend to parents who make their kids where this to send their children to a religious school instead. Clearly they aren't interested in making their children integrate into mainstream society...so why put them and those around them into an awkward situation?

 

I think calling them hateful for wearing traditional religious clothing is going a bit too far.

 

I am not calling them hateful for wearing that clothing. How could I be? I said I would not vote against the Nigab.

Try to reason through your posts before hitting submit.

 

you're calling those that don't integrate hateful - the implication is that those wearing the garb don't integrate and they it's a problem there because they are hateful.

Try choosing your words more carefully before hitting submit.

 

So a woman wants to wear a hefty bag I say go ahead. In the winter in Minnesota you're not going to be able to check out their figures anyway.

As for the hijab I know France is banning it for political reasons but that seems like an even more ridiculous ban. I presume France has similar sanitary regulations as we do so a woman serving food is going to have to cover her hair and in bad weather women cover their heads so women can wear a hair net, scarf, hat or hood but not a hijab. Seems ridiculous to me. Just call your hijab a scarf.

 

The should be able to cover their head but not their faces.

 

Wearing the full veil is not required in Islam. Some people interpret the Islamic dress code very strictly.

 

anybody should be allowed to wear anything they want. the must also be open to ridicule for what they choose to or not to wear.

government should not interfere; though certain cases such as a photo id i can see where requiring the face to be shown might be necessary.

 

If it is something along these lines:

then I am all for it.

 

she could possibly be a butterface.

 

Then maybe she should keep it on at home too.

 

It's Lil' Kim, so you could decide that for yourself.

 

Where do you draw the line? How far is this from outlawing being part of a certain religion?

As mentioned the Niqab is not absolutely necessary. It's praised or encouraged, whatever you want to call it, but it's not a woman's duty to wear it. If you are required to identify yourself then these women have no reason to refuse taking off the niqab. The HIJAAB is required though, so taking that off is out of the question. Your hair won't identify you as a different haircut or a different color doesn'[t mean you can't be identified.

It's absolute bull**** that they all are doing the Niqab thing because of September 11. The reason more people are doing it now is simply because Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, and probably the fastest growing in England.

With all that said, I don't expect to go to a non-Muslim state and have everyone understand my choices. It's just not something I EXPECT people to rationally do. It's not easy to understand. It's the reason why I choose to live in the Middle East and I think that if you live in Western Europe or North America specifically, you have to accept what comes with the territory as a Muslim. They knew that Islamically, living in England would be a struggle. Deal with it.

There are people in Saudi being penalized for not wearing Hijaab, and people in England penalized for wearing it. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you choose to live in a certain place, know what you're getting into.

 

As I understand it there are some people (perhaps not mainstream and very limited in number, but more than just a couple) who do believe that it is necessary.

Does that make any difference for them?

I think if you are saying that it is because they are jealous or afraid of Islam, I'm not sure I would agree with it. Most of the Europeans are very insular and protective of their homogenous cultures. My belief is that they object to it only because it is 'not British' and it is very different from British custom.

Imagine there were an established legal reason. Say in a trial, say a woman was attacked by another woman who had her hijab ripped off her head and there was a big scar on top of her head. Or imagine bioterrorists attack with plague-ridden lice, and quarantine procedures require checkstops for examination of the head to prevent the spread of disease. (I appreciate both are very hypothetical) If there was a legitimate British law which required a woman to remove her scarf, which takes precedent?

In my personal opinion there would be at the extremes some situation where societal concerns would overrule religious concerns, but I would be interested in your opinion.

 

I would support a ban, and would support school uniforms too.

Religion has no place in public schools.

And no drivers licenses for people unwilling to show their faces.


DD