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Brent Barry or Rueben Patterson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cwebbster, Dec 19, 2003.

  1. cwebbster

    cwebbster Member

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    I found this on another fan site, this is what the individual said

    www.jsonline.com (milwaukee journal sentinel) is reporting that the rockets have interest in brent barry. Report says Van Gundy wants him to help jump start a sputtering fast break.
    Other news: Not related to the rockets, but it is said in another paper that you could have rueben patterson for virtually nothing. The blazers want to remove the remaining three years and approximately eighteen million left due to him. Ive always been dissapointed with Rueben off the court. However, I think he is really a van gundy type of player on the court. Really hard nosed defensively. If we could get him in a deal Id really look into it.
    As for Barry, he is kinda old. But he is one secure ball handler and a shooting machine.
     
  2. codell

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    Here is the excerpt from the article on jsonline.com:

    Trade rumors

    Washington is said to be shopping Christian Laettner and Jerry Stackhouse to get $10 million under the salary cap for use in the free-agent market next summer.

    Houston has an interest in Seattle's Brent Barry, who would help the Rockets get a fast break going.

    While Cleveland still likes Zydrunas Ilgauskas, he might become expendable if the Cavaliers could get a quality guard to take some of the pressure off LeBron James.

    Boston's Tony Battie and Eric Williams have been mentioned in trade talks.
     
  3. jli

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    Does this mean that JVG is also disappointed at SF ?
     
  4. NIKEstrad

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    Well, one of these things has already come true...
     
  5. gucci888

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    How did you come up with that statement?
     
  6. MManal

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    Interesting. Brent Barry would fit this team well and provide some serious help on the offensive side of the ball esp in terms of igniting the fast break.
     
  7. CriscoKidd

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    I like Brent Barry but I don't think I'd give up Mobes for him, and I don't think we have anything else Seattle would want, besides trading Cato for some of their even worse overpaid centers.

    I like Patterson's hustle on the court, but don't want his off court baggage as well as his ridiculous contract.

    Of all those mentioned, the Washington players available sound the most appealing to me, if it's mostly salary dumping.
     
  8. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Brent Barry would add a lot to this team!

    Again, this would be the tactic of playing Barry at the 1 on offense and 2 on defense and Francis at the 2 on offense and 1 on defense. I totally subscribe to this solution. It plays to the strenghts of both of these players (Francis scoring and not trying to create causing turnovers), especially on the offensive side of the ball which is where this team is having the most trouble.

    It still would not solve our forward troubles, but the backcourt would be fixed and that alone might jumpstart the team.
     
  9. Shooter1583

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    Barry would help immensely with this team...i would say have Mobley as a sixth man and give Barry the PG spot and move Steve to the two...Barry is an exceptional shooter with a great passing eye and has nice height as a PG (6'6")...and imagine our bench, with Mo T, Mobes and Pike supplying instant offense :eek: ...talk about an offensive rejuvenation...

    I'm not a really big fan of Patterson- he hustles and plays energetic defense, but I'm not a fan of his character, especially being around those Fail Blazers...I think Barry should be the top priority...
     
  10. Buck88

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    You'd have to give up Mobley in any deal to get Barry. I don't see anyone else Seattle would have interest in outside of Steve and Yao. Although, if memory serves M. Taylor had actually chosen the Supersonics when he was a FA after his years with the Clips. The deal feel through, I believe, because of another deal that would have cleared the cap-space for him to sign. You think Seattle still might have interest in him? Or at least think highly enough of him to consider him a positive instead of a negative in in a multiplayer deal.
     
  11. GATER

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    Brent Barry is making $5.4m in the last year of his contract. The Rox IMO are a playoff bound team. Unless the Rox think Barry will take them beyond the first round, what's the point? You could offer the MLE next summer and not trade anybody.

    Ray Allen is Seattle's only bad contract to use the TE on and I couldn't envision SEA parting with Allen for any expendable Rocket.

    Probably just a bored sports writers' opinion.

    BTW, Barry will be 32 on 12/31/03.
     
  12. Man

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    Yes lol and this isn't hoopshype or anything. So we are trying to get him! Yay..at least there is some trade rumor related to the Rockets..so maybe they are exploring their options a bit..well everyone does that. I would like Brent Barry. I would give them MObley..but why would they want MObley? They have Ronald Murray and Ray Allen...we could just wait and sign him in the offseason..

    Jerry Stackhouse would be great with the Rockets. Rice for Stackhouse?
     
  13. Sane

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    I wouldn't give up much for Barry.


    Brent Barry + Calvin Booth + Evans for Cato?

    I'd do that deal. Maybe Seattle would do it too. Flip is playing great, Antonio Daniels is starting and producing, while Ridnour is slowly yet steadily improving behind him. Ray Allen is coming back too, and the Sonics need some production at C.

    Yao/Booth/Meech
    MoT/Evans
    JJ/Pike/Boki
    Mobley/Barry
    Francis/Barry

    I'd like that team. We absolutely need one more shooter on this team, and it's a huge bonus that this guy can handle the ball and be an all-round threat.
     
  14. Man

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    I would do that. Give them Moochie too as a bonus. ;)
     
  15. brocktoon

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    I've thought that Barry would be a perfect fit with the Rockets for a long time. The only problem is that our most tradeable commodity (Mobley) plays a position that Seattle is stacked at. Another player on our roster that I think Seattle would be interested in would be Mo Taylor. He would at least give the Sonics a legit post-up threat, which they are definitely lacking (plus I believe that Seattle had interest in him back when he was FA with the Clippers).

    The salaries obviously don't match up for Taylor and Barry. Not to mention that we'd be really hurting at the PF position if we made that trade. That's why Patterson is an interesting possibility as well. A 3-way trade where we give up Mo (to Seattle) and Cat (to Portland) and get Barry and Patterson in return would be a great trade, IMHO. RealGM-ers, get to work.
     
  16. ivanyy2000

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    Sane, you are so greedy. :D Sonics will be very stupid to do that deal.
     
  17. Sane

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    I think that trade favours them.

    Cato would easily become their best C, and Calvin Booth is easily their worst contract.

    Evans is just a throw-in.

    First, you have to consider that Barry won't get enough minutes, and he won't be producing once Allen comes back. He'll most probably ask for a trade, seeing as this is his contract year and he wants to erarn his next contract.

    Their weakest position is C at the moment. So you're swapping

    Barry + Calvin Booth's bad contract + Evans

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    Cato

    Basically, they're trading Barry for a big upgrade at C. Neither Booth nor James is as good as Cato.
     
  18. Relativist

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    True. It depends on how badly we want Barry and how confident we are of signing him. If we think he is worth more than the MLE, we might want to trade for him, because in my opinion, a number of teams will be interested in Barry, and I don't know how good are chances are of signing him outright. All the same, he is Seattle's to lose. Barry is established in Seattle and will re-sign with the Sonics unless they don't want him or offer him peanuts.

    The Sonics do have bad contracts they'd love to dump though, chiefly all three of their centers: James, Booth, and Potapenko, particularly James and Potapenko. Still, I don't know if Cato is enough of an upgrade for them to throw Barry into the mix. It's possible, I suppose. I think what the Sonics really want is the same thing we want: a tough defensive-minded PF/C with some offense, good enough to start.
     
  19. CriscoKidd

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    ick. Mobes for a 32yo Barry and MoTay for a 6'5" sf who probly wouldn't start over JJ? No thank you. :)
     
  20. pasox2

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    No point to trade for Barry when we can get him in the offseason. Just let his agent know ahead of time. Barry plays no defense, btw. Good shooter, good court vision, if that's all you want, in limited time.

    Pass on Patterson, as if I needed to mention it, with today's news.

    If we trade with Seattle, we should try to get Ray Allen. His star stock has fallen, but that guy would be perfect with Yao. Don't you remember end of last season when he was racking up the 10 assist games right and left? Great shooter, Olympian, good guy.

    Trade Francis for him if you have to. That would be a good first step to building a winning team.

    Trade Cat in a package for Kurt Thomas. If Allen Houston is really permanently messed up with the tendenitis and they are really shopping for that second 2 at the right price, there's your fit. Fits our team's needs very well too.

    Trade Cato to Indy for Harrington and Tinsley. If they can't keep him, and he needs starter's minutes, this is a deal to get something for both teams.

    Now the team is rebuilt around Yao and Allen, with good support players who can shoot and pass. Put Yao at the Right high/low post and run the triangle offense with Allen and Thomas the weak side options for the two man game. Unstoppable. Front Yao, ball to Allen, ball to Harrington. Yao gets the ball too far out, he can pass all over the court. Yao gets it low, he can operate. Cutters can slice through, as there will be superior spacing, as everybody can shoot (except Tinsley, who's just a set/up or a cutter for the backdoor.). There ya' go ;).
     

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