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Breastfeeding is p*rnography in Texas

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Woofer, Apr 20, 2003.

  1. Woofer

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    http://dallasobserver.com/issues/2003-04-17/feature2.html/print.html

    From Dallas Morning News
    "To Richardson police, who arrived at the store that afternoon and apparently made up their minds from the content of the pictures alone, this was nothing short of a felony case of child p*rnography. 'We thought they contained sexuality,' says Sergeant Danny Martin, a Richardson police spokesman, explaining why two Richardson police detectives began pursuing a criminal case. 'If you saw the photos, you'd know what I mean.'

    Glad we could clear that one up.
     
  2. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I read that article the other day, and while I find it horrible that the children have not been returned to the family after the charges have been dropped, the picture I saw was definitely out of the ordinary. I'm not saying it necessarily rose to the level of child p*rnography, but I can see where some questions could be raised.
     
  3. Gutter Snipe

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    Wow that is horrible.

    Did you read the whole article RM95? Just because something goes against our culture doesn't mean it's wrong. Hell, I recall a similar scene in "The Last Emperor of China" with a 7 year old - but maybe that scene was censored in this bass-ackwards country with hick cops.

    "Land of the Free, home of the Victorian attitudes about nudity and breast-feeding!"

    I hope those poor people get their children back soon.
     
  4. Mr. Mooch

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    Mmmmmmm, big-oversized-sagging-milk-filled breastiges.

    <Drooling>.
     
  5. HtownRocks3

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    you sick mofo lmfao
     
  6. Rocketman95

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    Yes, I read the entire article, and I'm definitely the last person to say that just because something goes against our culture doesn't mean it's wrong. I can simply understand how one of the pictures in question (breastfeeding of a kid not breastfeeding anymore, in an abnormal breastfeeding position) could lead some to jump to that conclusion, even though I disagree with it.
     
  7. Cohen

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    That's ridiculous.
     
  8. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    I know it's just about impossible to describe a picture, but can you elaborate?

    I'm such a cynic now, I take just about every article I read "with a grain of salt." This article was definitely slanted, so I tried to pick out the facts. One thing that seems factual is that the drugstore clerk, the police, CPS, the prosecuters and the Grand Jury ALL seem to be on the same page--otherwise, the case wouldn't have gotten as far as it has. Perhaps it's group-think, or perhaps we haven't seen any evidence outside of this article. Furthermore, we are told in the article that the "smoking gun" is the breast feeding picture, but we don't have a way of proving that as fact.
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    If you click on that link, it's there, but very grainy. The pic in the newspaper was a little better. Basically, the kid is standing up on his tiptoes, and sucking on the breast that the mom is holding. I'm not sure I'd have thought twice about it, but I can understand why someone else would.
     
  10. Mrs. Valdez

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    I've certainly seen questionable breastfeeding practices in the past so I can understand that people want to draw the line somewhere. Honestly, I can hardly see a thing in the picture they show which makes me wonder why they chose such a grainy rendition if the image was so harmless.
     
  11. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Yah...I had seen the pic in the article, but it's not much more than a "sketch" of the original. It doesn't show things like expressions which could have had something to do with the outcry.

    And...as I mentioned earlier...just because the author of this article says that particular pic is the smoking gun doesn't necessarily mean its true.

    There must be something going on for the clerk, the cops, the prosecters, the Grand Jury, and CPS to all think something is definitely wrong.

    Another glaring issue that points to the subjectivity of the article is the fact that they have a separate paragraph that states:

    In one--the photo that would threaten to send Mercado and her boyfriend to prison--the infant Rodrigo is suckling her left breast

    BUT....just a few paragraphs away, the author quotes the police where they say:

    We thought they contained sexuality," says Sergeant Danny Martin, a Richardson police spokesman, explaining why two Richardson police detectives began pursuing a criminal case. "If you saw the photos, you'd know what I mean."

    In two separate sentences the cops refer to the pictures in the plural, yet the author of the article insists that its this one picture that is getting them in trouble.

    I'd hate to see someone lose their children over a picture of breasfeeding, but somehow, I don't think that's the case here. I think there's a lot more than what we are seeing in this article.

    Of course, that's generally true with just about everything we read.
     
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    And yet District Attorney Hill does not agree that something is definitely wrong and dropped the charges. And it's not as if this particular DA is known for cowtowing to the Dallas Observer.

    And we are talking about a county that has departments that have no problem arresting, prosecuting and convicting people for things that they've been specifically told by their own departments aren't against the law (not to mention the whole fake drugs thing).

    I guess I just don't have the faith that the police will ever admit that they ever overreact to a situation, etc., especially when we have seen other cases (in other jurisdictions) where the police took any picture of a nude child to be child p*rnography.

    And I'm also disturbed that CPS is using a lie detector test to determine anything in this case. Why don't they just have a seance and ask the dead whether the children are being abused?
     
  13. Woofer

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    I think it was John Holmes, the Houston DA or was it the guy who wrote Helter Skelter, who said a good DA could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. In high profile cases where the police are lost, DA's make up cases - see all the death penalty cases in Illinois being overturned. Grand jury indictments are not a foolproof indicator of guilt.
     
  14. spence99

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    I can't believe this. I can't believe the police are wasting so much time on this case. They are little kids and the parents just wanted photos to capture some memories. In their culture, breast feeding is important and they wanted a photo to remember. If they were sexual, then why did none of the other rolls of film contain any?
    If the parents had any sort of money, this case would have died immediately. This is ridiculous!
     
  15. Kim

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    All the more reason to get a digital camera.
     
  16. MoBalls

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    This would be an awesome "Got Milk" poster.
     

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