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Breaking the full court press and whether Cat good enough 2 for a contender

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by oliver_67, Mar 16, 2004.

  1. oliver_67

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    Last night's game reminds me of the 1st loss to Memphis this season. Under full court press, our guards were confused, and then panicked, and then the offense crashed.

    Rockets seem to be the only team that the opponents can use full court press to squeeze out a win after down big.

    I never question SF's desire to win, or whether Cat has heart. They have made tremendous progress in trying to adapt to JVG's system, but talking about basketball IQ, this tandem is dumb and dumber.

    I also think that Cat is good enough 2 for a West conference playoff team, but not for a contender. His shots are streaky, and he routinely makes some dumb plays at the end of the game. Last night he had 3 TOs within the last 4 min of the game (not including the airball he shot with 15 seconds left).:mad:

    And why did the team go away from the first option in the 2 and 3 quarter when the happy shots were not falling? Why wait until 4th to go to Yao?
     
  2. Charvo

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    You're right about the similarity to the first Grizzlies game. When the defensive pressure rises, the guards can't even bring the ball up court.

    What I like about this game is that it shows the roster needs to be purged aside from Yao and JJ. That's the silver lining.
     
  3. HillBoy

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    It is, to quote JVG, "inexcusable" for the Rockets at this juncture in the season - this late in the season, to have no idea how to break a full court press. There are HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS that can do this for Christ's sake!
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    How do you break the press? Passing in the middle and ATTACK on the wings.

    ATTACK it, get some easy baskets, but always go FORWARD not side to side.

    Teams will do this to the Rockets more and more until they find a way to beat it consistently.

    DD
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Its games like these that show some of the lingering weaknesses and we've been lucky that more teams haven't exploited these.

    From last night's game and the last Dallas game. The way to beat the Rox is to apply full court pressure on the guards and then a more active faster defender on Yao to try to deny him the ball rather than keep him from getting the shot off.

    I still feel the Rox got enough momentum to get into the playoffs but lets hope they can correct these mistakes or else we will have a very short trip to the playoffs.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    There are ways to beat the full court press and small quick man on Yao practices.

    Simply push the ball on offense and have Yao pin his man down low.

    I hardly think they stopped Yao when he gets 29 points...the rest of the team was the problem, not Yao.

    DD
     
  7. Rocket River

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    So
    Who should be helping our guards.

    The problem I have is that our guards
    have a tendency to NO get the benefit of the doubt
    and pick up Offense Fouls

    So we have to beat it PASSING

    This means our Forwards need to come to the center court area
    and will need to perhaps dribble it up some form there?

    Rocket River
    We have identified the problem
    let's identify the solutions
     
  8. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    The issue is . . . .Pushing the ball up
    Yao is always the last man down

    So once the press is 'broken . .or
    if the continue to press while Yao is coming up
    [i envision more of a trap at the half court line

    Rocket River
     
  9. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Honestly, I have no idea why teams that play the Rockets dont play ZONE and use presses ALL THE TIME to frustrate them. It always generates bad shots and creates turnovers. It kills us time and time again.

    How can these players make it to the NBA and not know how to beat a press!?!?!?
     
  10. Rocket River

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    Beatin the press is not about individuals

    Everyone has to know how
    When you consider
    1. we have a preference that Yao just make it down low
    and wait [not get position and wait]
    2. the Idea of Cato dribbling at half court makes my blood run cold
    NO GOOD CAN COME OF IT

    Rocket River
     
  11. madmonkey37

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    The blame should go on jvg also. I mean the did the samething to counter their press each time. At the end of the game the suns used a "light" press, where they just had people in the backcourt not even trying to steal the ball or cause a turnover, but just there so the rockets do their stupid back and forth passes to take time off the clock. You wonder why our backcourt shot a low percentage, they had to take too many shots at the buzzer.
     
  12. Easy

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    Full court press belongs to the high school and college level. Pro teams seldom use it unless in desperation. Why? Because pro players are too skillful and poised to be fazed by the press.

    Beating the press is not an individual thing. It's a team effort. It is actually very basic stuff. With so many players skipping college and haven't learn the mechanic of the press, I think we will see more teams use the tactic.

    It's also the coach's responsibility to teach them how to beat the press. But the bottom line is still the players' execution. I am not surprised we are bothered by the press, because we are just not a fast decision-making team.
     
  13. droxford

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    I agree - the team as a whole must work together to beat the press. That's why it's the coach's fault if they fail.

    Much as I sing praises to JVG for his coaching, last night is the exception. Not having the team prepared to handle a press hurt us. An not foulding PHX when they had the ball and were down 3 was an error by JVG, too. Shoulda fouled 'em on the inbound pass. Jeff lost that one for us.

    -- droxford
     

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