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BREAKING NEWS: Biggio and Astros agree to 1 year new contract.

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JUST HEARD THIS ON FSSW!~!!!!

#1 Uprising, Oct 2, 2005

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Yeah, Purpura announced it live with Biggio there in the locker room. A really great moment. Glad to have him back for at least one more year.

#2 bwarren, Oct 2, 2005
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He should be here simply for his franchise icon status... but the fact that he's still producing BIG-TIME for us is all the more reason.

#3 Nick, Oct 2, 2005
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Biggio is a god. He kept this team together thru all the adversity.

#4 PhiSlammaJamma, Oct 2, 2005
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I hate to say I told you so yet again... who am I kidding, no I don't.

Damn, I'm getting tired of people saying Biggio is washed up and Burke is a better option at second base. Where in the hell are you guys coming up with this idea? He's obviously still in good shape and can play decent second base, even better then Kent could. Let's take a look at some of the milestones he'll reach this season shall we?

Homeruns
He had 24 last season, the most of his career for a total of 234... which is a crapload for a leadoff man. He also has 41 career leadoff homeruns, which is third most of all time... he could catch Brady Anderson (44) this season if Garner moves him back to leadoff for a bit and move into second place all-time. Ricky Henderson is the all-time leader with 81.

Doubles
At the start of the 2005 season he had 564 total doubles, that's good for 18th all time... and he is the ONLY one in the top 20 that has done it in 17 seasons or less. He hit 47 doubles last year (his most since he hit 56 in 1999 leading the league), and if he hits 41 this season he'll be in the top 10 in just 18 seasons, and no one else in the top 14 have done it in less 20 seasons.

Durability
He is he only player in MLB history to be an All-Star catcher one season and then an All-Star infielder the next season. He's now in his 18th season and has played every day at 4 (vastly) different positions, and done rather well. Obviously he wasn't the best out fielder, but he was a much better second basemen then Kent, Kent simply couldn't play in the outfield if he tried.

Steals
He has 397 steals and when is all said and done he should be in the top 50 of all time. Not bad for a guy who started out as a catcher and never had amazing speed.

Runs Scored
If there was one stat that trumps them all Runs Scored is it. It doesn't really matter how, when or what happened... as long as you crossed home plate. He's scored 1603 runs through the 2004 season good for 40th of all time. If he scores between 87 and 103 runs this season he'll jump all the way up to number 23. It's safe to say that if he tries for 3000 hits, he has a great chance of ending up with over 1800 career runs scored... that will put him at 16th of all time just under Carl freaking Yastrzemski. Only Lou Gehrig has scored runs faster during a 17 season span.

In summary, I think everyone on Chris Burke's sack needs to realize that he is backing up one of the best of all time, and certainly the best ever in our organization. Biggio has earned starting, and as long as he can hit over .275 (.286 career, .281 last season) with 40+ doubles and 15+ homeruns he SHOULD be our everyday second baseman. Chris Burke is 1 for 19 in big league at bats, and has far from proven his worth. He'll get spot starts and usually start in day-after-night situations... which is exactly what he should be doing.

Bottom line, until Biggio shows extreme signs of fading or until Burke can prove his worth (a little more then 1 for 19 all time) Biggio should be our man at second.
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#5 Svpernaut, Oct 2, 2005
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nice job by purpura and company

#6 TMac640, Oct 2, 2005
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Biggio just hit 26 home runs this season, the most he has ever hit. I think that as long as Biggio can still play and he wants to be an Astro, he should be the starter at second base.

I'm ecstatic that Biggio is coming back for AT LEAST one more season!!!!!

#7 Zacatecas, Oct 2, 2005

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Did Gerry Hunsicker really didn't want to keep Biggio? I've heard this was one of the things Hunsicker and McLane clashed on.

#8 v3.0, Oct 2, 2005
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Did Gerry Hunsicker really didn't want to keep Biggio? I've heard this was one of the things Hunsicker and McLane clashed on.
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Gerry wanted to explore other options two years ago... when Bidge was still trying to play the OF, and we had a younger Lane waiting in the wings coming off some pretty huge minor league seasons.

To his credit, Biggio had a pretty bad year 2 years ago and it looked like he would decline even further. Give Craig credit for having his best year at the plate since 1999, and give Drayton credit for sticking to his "guy".

#9 Nick, Oct 2, 2005
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Biggio hit .233 after the all-star break with an OBP of .291.

#10 pgabriel, Oct 2, 2005
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Biggio hit .233 after the all-star break with an OBP of .291.
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Without his HR against Wagner and the Phillies, we don't win the WC today. Plus, his career high HR's meant more to this team than any of his other years b/c of the lack of offensive punch.

#11 Nick, Oct 2, 2005
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pgabriel said:

Biggio hit .233 after the all-star break with an OBP of .291.
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what was chris burke's?

how about biggio's numbers BEFORE the all-star break??

#12 MadMax, Oct 2, 2005
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Nick said:

Without his HR against Wagner and the Phillies, we don't win the WC today. Plus, his career high HR's meant more to this team than any of his other years b/c of the lack of offensive punch.[/QUOT

Yes, those hrs were important to this team, but I wouldn't count him duplicating that next season.
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#13 pgabriel, Oct 2, 2005

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MadMax said:

what was chris burke's?

how about biggio's numbers BEFORE the all-star break??
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No, no, no; you're only supposed to put out the numbers that *support* your position, regardless of how overwhelming the case against it actually is.

#14 msn, Oct 2, 2005
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pgabriel said:

Biggio hit .233 after the all-star break with an OBP of .291.
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It's a 162 game season, his total lines are... 155 Games, 589 ABs, 94 Runs, 156 Hits, 40 2B, 1 3B, 26 HR, 69 RBI, 11 SB, .265 AVG, .325 OBP, .469 Slugging, .793 OPS... he also had 15 Errors.

I'll take that all day long from my second baseman and so would 95% of the teams in the majors. Chris Burke has no chance of being that productive in his current state.

Kent's stats: 149 Games, 553 ABs, 100 runs, 160 Hits, 36 2Bs, 0 3Bs, 29 HRs, 105 RBI, 6 SB, .289 AVG, .377 OBP, .512 Slugging, .889 OPS... he also had 16 errors.

I think he hangs in there pretty well for a 39 year old making vastly different money then Kent.

#15 Svpernaut, Oct 2, 2005
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pgabriel said:

Biggio hit .233 after the all-star break with an OBP of .291.
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Yeah, but he has hit .429 in October.

#16 bobrek, Oct 2, 2005
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msn said:

No, no, no; you're only supposed to put out the numbers that *support* your position, regardless of how overwhelming the case against it actually is.
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so THAAAATS where I've been messing up this whole time...

#17 halfbreed, Oct 2, 2005
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pgabriel said:

Yes, those hrs were important to this team, but I wouldn't count him duplicating that next season.
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Probably accurate, but did you say that last year about this time? 'Cause he one-upped himself. And, it's not uncommon for power numbers to go marginally up while speed and on-base numbers decline when guys get late into their careers.

I can't wait to see his dirty helmet and Astro colors get into the Hall of Fame.

#18 msn, Oct 2, 2005

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pgabs -- honestly, you were the one who told us that we shouldn't expect much from pettitte and clemens LAST SEASON. so i'll file that tidbit away. because i'm guessing you didn't think bidge had 26 HR's in them for this season.

#19 MadMax, Oct 2, 2005
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Since when does a player having a poor portion of the season dismiss his very good season as a whole?

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