A sign and trade for elton Brand would help the rockets greatly down and would be a help to Yao so they wouldn't be able to double team him since they would have to worry about brand. Houston trades: PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) Houston receives: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +5.6 ppg, +3.4 rpg, and -1.0 apg. L.A. Clippers trades: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) L.A. Clippers receives: PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games) PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 77 games) Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, -3.4 rpg, and +1.0 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED The rockets would do this because they need a PowerFoward bad since Eddie all he does is shoot the 3 ball. If they get brand they will get somebody to help Yao out down low instead off griffen who is not the strong type of Power forward. The reason the clippers would do this because after a season like they had its time to rebuild and their team isn't going anywhere with elton brand their. They would get a young player in Eddie who could fit into their offense and rebuilding stage as well. They also get a good back up point guard for Andre Miller
If the Clippers actually do this trade, then Sterling and his GM are the biggest idiots in the world. Especially when they acquire the worse NBA player (getting miniutes) in the NBA. I am pretty sure they can find alot better for Brand than Griffin and Moochie
Brand cannot be traded prior to July 1st, because he has an expiring contract. He will be a restricted free agent this summer. After July 1st, he could be traded in a sign and trade. But he should rightfully demand paid a max contract equivalent to what was given Francis, so we would have to send about $9 million in contracts to the Clips. Keep in mind that the Clips are cheap, so they wouldn't be taking any salary albatrosses like Moochie. Maybe they would take Griffin and Mobley if they felt they were going to lose Brand for nothing, but these two salaries are still short of the amount we would need to send. Knowing the Clips, they may just force Brand to take the one year tender (like they did with Kandi). If he walks next summer when he is an unrestricted FA, oh well, I guess we will know why the Clips selected two PFs with their two lottery picks last summer.
WE will need to trade Mobley and Griffin to the Clippers if there is any chance of getting Brand, but we want Piatowski as well as Brand. Moochie and Rice would have to be moved in another package(s)Clippers might need Cato as they are loosing their Center, so Cato might be in one of several possible packages!
Why the HECK would they want MOOCHIE NORRIS? They want at least Cuttino Mobley and Eddie Griffin. And maybe even Cato to balance the trade. They add Piatkowski. Oh that would be lovely. Cuttino Mobley/Eddie Griffin/Kelvin Cato/1st Round Draft Pick Elton Brand/Eric Piatkowski Since Olowokandi is gone...and so is Sean Rooks and Cherokee Parks, maybe they want Cato. Heh. I wish.
this wont happen till july 15 at the earliest. god,thats three months away,Im sick of brand talk already. What about a poor mans version of brand in Zach Randolph. But portland loves that guy more than clipps like brand. Lets just "stand pat" guys. This board will be boring if the rockets start winning,then ,no one will have anything to complain about. losing=more postings,more trade posts,more "fire coach" threads, winning= everybodys content,no complaining or trade threads or anything.
The Clippers already have 2 young, skinny, cheap power forwards in Wilcox and Ely. Why would they want another one?
Houston sends: Cato Center (hole at center) EG Pf (young promising foward on the cheap for awhile) Rice Sf (contract ends next sesaon clearing cap space) Norris/Cat Gaurd (They have sg but could use a vetren pg) what ever draft picks to make it worth while (2 1st rounds?) LA sends: Brand (not worth max but close) Odam (still needs to prove himself) Cato:LA would solve one of the hardest positions to fill now with a center whos stock is as high as it has ever been (remember he started this season B4 Yao and played at the same level all year). Rice:They would get a proven vetren who can shoot who will fall off their cap next year. Griffin:They get a versital very young foward who is under a cheap contract ( Eddie was good enough to start and does bring defense and should get alot better). Norris: a vetren back up pg who cant complain about playing for the Clippers. We could resign our free agents and be left with a good team for a while: Francis/ Madoxx Cat/ Posey Odam/ Boki Brand/ Taylor Yoa/ ?????? (??Collior??) Morris/Hawkins Morris can play both foward spots incase of injury or poor play. Odam can play backup pg in case of injury or unexperienced play Poesy can play sg or sf for the same reasons. This leaves us with a versital team that can run and play D. Shooting will be the main ?. But with Brand, Yao, and Mo it souldn't be too bad. LA would get draft picks which we know they love and could fill some needs instead of lossing both players but the Rox would have to make a good sale.
Houston trades: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes) Houston receives: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) SG Eric Piatkowski (9.7 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.9 minutes) Change in team outlook: +15.1 ppg, +1.9 rpg, and +2.2 apg. L.A. Clippers trades: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) SG Eric Piatkowski (9.7 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.9 minutes) L.A. Clippers receives: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games) PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 77 games) Change in team outlook: -15.1 ppg, -1.9 rpg, and -2.2 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Houston and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. If we have to throw in a first, I'd still do it. A starting line-up of Francis Posey TMo Brand Yao would be very strong defensively and with Yao and Brand running a Spurs type double post, with Francis finding wide open seams all day long we're not only a playoff team, we're a home-court playoff team.
1) Elton Brand is not going to be a Rocket next season unless Francis or Yao is traded. 2) Glen Rice's expiring contract has value only to teams trying to clear cap space for 2004 FA's. The Clipps have all the cap space they need and have had an abundance of it since Reagan was President. 3) If the Clipps wouldn't pay Kandi over $6m, why would they pay Cato over $7m...for 3 more seasons? 4) The Brand dreamcasting is second only to the Garnett dreamcasting in terms of lack of probability and reality.
I don't know Gater, I think you're being a bit pessimistic. Kandi-Clippers breakdown: Kandi asks for the MAX, Clippers say no. Kandi goes to the media and says lots of dumb stuff about Clippers and Free Agency. Kandi realizes no one wants a player who goes to the media to solve his problems, he goes back to the Clips and asks for a notch less than the MAX, Clippers don't want him at any price anymore. Also, Cato's per minute production this year beats the hell out of any season Kandi had. Cato isn't always trying to leave, and he'd be locked up for 3 years rather than 5 or 7. Overall though, obviously, Kandi is the better player. But to the Clippers, Cato may look good since they have no C, will get no C, and I believe they owe their pick (if I'm not mistaken) to someone else. Even so, I think their pick is around 8th, and there aren't many, if any, good C's in this draft. Right now, I think a Cato/Griffin/Mobley package would look great to the Clippers. If the Clippers actually have a will to win, then they know there's no one they can get to play C for them next year unless they trade. In terms of C's WITH contracts already, Cato is payed less than the average starting C (even excluding Shaq's contract). Oh, and the MOST important thing about Brand trade speculation is that..........If David Falk wants it to happen, then it will happen.
Sane - No disagreement about David Falk. However, Falk also knows that if Brand can handle 1 more season in Clipperville, Brand will be unrestricted in 2004 making them both a lot of money. Remember that Falk also represents Mo Taylor...would pushing for Brand to Houston negatively impact their business relationship? Don't know but it is certainly a possibility. Regarding Cato. We could discuss this all day, but I just don't see Sterling paying that kind of money when he has Sean Rooks, Cherokee Parks, and Wang Zhi Zhi. Plus, he could get Elden Campbell for less than Cato. IMHO, if there is an unlikely Brand trade involving Houston, sending Cato to the EC and a cheap contract to the Clipps is what Sterling would push for. One factor that no one has a handle on yet is whether this past season was a fluke or whether Cato will continue to produce. I think it's important to note that while Cato was productive, it was usually against the second unit of the Rox opponents.
1. We assume that Clippers don't want to win, so they are not willing to give out big contracts to Brand and Odom, so they may trade them to us, right? 2. We assume that Clippers want to win, so they need a legit center for them and are willing to take on the big contract of Cato? Give me a break.
First, Donald Sterling is probably one of the smartest owners in the NBA. Why do I say this? 1) Stingy - he isn't stupid enough to pay players who don't deserve large contacts let alone a max contact. 2) He shares the Staple Centers with the LA Lakers; therefore, sharing the cost associated with running the building 3) He owns a team that is based in a city that is crazy about baseketball. True, Lakers are the sweet hearts but Sterling benifits cause there is usually an over flow of enthusiasm and excitement surrounding basketball. He doesn't even advertise much and yet they have on average 16 some thousand people coming to their home games which is 14th best in the league. 4) He has assembled a team based on paper which should easily make the playoffs. Look at the pieces he has assembled together Candy - should be a legit center...but he has no heart. In reality he is probably one of the worst centers in the league. This guy will be lucky to get the midlevel exception from any team. He really is not a good player. If any player needed to step up on this team it would have been Candy. Brand - a powerforward who knows how to bang and bruise the opponent and get his double doubles. Not worth building your team around as the first option but has mastered the art of defense (shot blocking and rebounding) Odom - he can play all 5 positions; however, is he even elite in any one positions? Sources say he is intrested in Knicks. However, I don't see how Odom would help. Seems to me Odom would be better off coming in as a bench player and not as a starter. E. Piatkowski - this guy can shoot. To bad no other team has a chance to sign him. Sterling won't ever give this guy up. I feel for Piatkowski cause on a better team he would be their missing piece. C. Maggette - athletic talent; however, not a great shooter but because he is aggressive and drives to the hole he frequently gets to the foul line. Portland Trailblazers would love to have this guy. This is the same reason Portland will have a hard time win a another championship even though they probably have the most athletically talented team in the NBA. A. Miller - average point guard. This guy is okay at everything but not great at any one particular thing. That is what will keep him from ever becoming an elite point guard. So, of these players who would we want? 1. E. Piatkowski 2. Brand Of the two players Brand is the only player we would have a chance with. But how good of a chance? <B>First, people talk about trade purposals. </B> Only problem is we have no body other then Yao Ming or possibly Eddie Griffin that Sterling would be intrested in. Sterling wouldn't be intrested in Francis. First, Francis signed a max contract. Second) Although, Francis is an amazing athletic talent he knows that Francis isn't a player you want to build around to make a championship team. We all know why I say this. No need to reiterrate it a million times <B>Second, signing Brand when he becomes a free agent. </B> Well, If we are willing to give the Max...heck Brand is most likely ours. Of course, Houston would never do that. Do I dare mention the luxury tax? What is funny is that we could have Brand and give him a large contract if we didn't have M. Taylor or Cato. M. Taylor is probably the worst contract we have on the Rockets. If we don't offer Brand a large contract he is more then likely going to these other teams. Washington - desperately needs an interior post up player. Brand would fit perfectly here. They have the cap space also and might give Brand what he wants. * Teams who don't give a dam about luxury tax Dallas - if they don't sign Malone Portland - you never know with this team Knicks - then again they do have Antonio Dyess <B>Conclusion</B> Houston only chance of getting Brand is to offer him a large contract which I highly doubt we would do considering the Luxury Tax. So sorry to say...there is really no chance of getting Brand. As I stated above I question why we gave M. Taylor a large contract.
Sane, As a starter this year before Yao Ming took over Cato was averaging 11 rebounds and 2.2 blocks a game in 28 minutes of play. I know it was only 5 games but his production per 48 minutes has not waivered. For the season Cato averaged 16.5 rebounds a game per 48 minutes so there is really no reason to think that he would not have averaged double diget rebounds and about 2 blocks a game. Also if you go back to the second half of last year you will see that Cato had actually started rebounding a lot better at that point getting double degit rebounds on most nights. I think this year was just a continuation of the second half of last year.
THANK YOU!!!! Man,Im starting to think Gator is the only dude with common sense.I personally think Gator is somehow involved on the inside since he knows every detail about every players contract. I couldnt even stand to read those dreamcasted trades and the posters are actually being serious. ok,I'll play: rockets trade: morris,hawkins,cato,taylor,rice,collier rockets recieve: Kevin GARNETT!!!!!! TRADE ACCEPTED due to both teams being over the cap,the 115% rule is envoked.blah blah....
Oh my god..You must not be a serious fan of od(o)m if you cant even spell his name or pos(e)y.Good lord.Thats one of the reasons why people dont take these dreamcasted trades seriously. try this, houston trades: frenciss,mobile,kato,poser houston gets: schake,cobbe,fishy,orry,
