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Boston finally found a team soft enough for them to handle

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 11, 2009.

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  1. Carl Herrera

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    Calderon still hasn't missed a FT. He doesn't get to the line a lot but 76-76 is pretty sick.
     
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    He's one of the most overrated players I've ever witnessed. His defense may honestly be as bad as Nash. He also slows the offense brutally. He's solid, but not good by any means.
     
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    overrated enough that i wish rockets have him...
     
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    I'll take the overrated Calderon. Hell I'll trade him straight up for TMac.
     
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    I don't. Not at his price or what it would cost to get him in trade. I wouldn't trade Brooks straight up for him.
     
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    Maybe you would, but we wouldn't. Just what we need, another guy who stalls the ball and couldn't guard his shadow. Not to mention his contract. I'll take AB 100 out of 100 times over Calderon
     
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    I wonder if KG layed down a monster dunk with 1 minute to go and beat his chest while howling in front of the Raptors cheerleader to show how great a winner he is.
     
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    i dont get why critics say he is tough...he has the softiest game for a big man. Have you ever even seen him doing hook shots these days? he is almost 90% jumpshot, most of outside of the paint.

    for someone who is being labaled as soft, like Yao...his game is actually a lot tougher, about half jumpshots half hooks in the paint.
     
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    if you wont to measure the softness of a player with their playing style, just go by the way they get to the line, and by that means Garnett is horrible for his size and talent level, but the soft label is really something that is subjective similar to the "clutch" label.
     
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    The dreaded 82games.com has Yao 37% of his shots are jump shots, Tim Duncan 61%
    Garnett 74% jump shots. Right around his career % too

    Garnett's still shooting 52% from the floor, not too bad for so many jump shots.
     
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    DPOY,


    He is a great rebounder..... You cannot be soft and be the kind of rebounder he has been his entire career...Desire

    He is not Shaq, but he is as mentally tough as they come. He comes
    to play his ass off every day...


    I don't understand how people do not see that...
     
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    I'm no KG hater. I can see the poser argument, but I still like him. That said, KG is not mentally tough in my opinion. He's smart. He doesn't get enough credit for being smart. Yes, he plays hard and yells, but he's only behind Battier when it comes to defensive smarts. KG quarterbacks the defense and knows where everybody should be and does a great job of using his length and athleticism to disrupt offenses. And most agree that KG is a tough rebounder.

    But mental toughness is a different animal. What I saw all playoffs last year, and also during big games, was KG getting so nervous that it effected his play. I'm sure many can play well nervous, but KG was making many mental blunders left and right. He was hesitant on passes, made terrible turnovers, and measured his shots late in the game. He doesn't play crunch-time offense the way he plays the rest of the game, at least during last year's playoffs.

    Now does that make him suck? No. And he has room to get better in that area. He's still a tough rebounder and plays tough and smart...and he's actually mentally good against teams that he feels he's better than. It's weird, bug I think KG is mentally fragile. Maybe that's why he screams all the time. But against legit competition, he has shown a lot of uncertainty in the biggest moments.

    Now, I don't think it's the most important thing in basketball, for basketball is part art and science. There is no one way to do things. Kobe tries damn hard in crunch time, and I think is mentally tough for he doesn't get scared at all. But just because your tough and try hard doesn't mean things will always work out. Many times during the crunch time playoffs last year, Kobe tried to take over, and it didn't always work.

    In the close out game vs the Nuggets, the Lakers were up like 5 with 2 minutes left and Kobe was yelling on the bench "let's end this now, let's put this away, it's our time...." I'm paraphrasing from memory. Now the Lakers won pretty easily, but Kobe came out firing after that time out trying to take over, and as talented as he is, he was off and selfish, which is fine if you're on, but doesn't work when your shot is off. Kobe subscribes to the T-Mac school of thought when you think you can "will your team to victory and it's like the defender is not even there". I'm not saying that philosophy is right or wrong, for it works sometimes and doesn't other times...and I'll say Kobe is much better at making that work than T-Mac...but it's not a full-proof science.

    So back to KG since I rambled on like usual. They won it all last year with KG's help. KG is tough on D, and takes jumpers. Oh, and on the jumper issue, I don't care for I don't see how it's tough or not...that's just your offensive game. There's a difference between settling for a jumper and doing a back down dribble dream shake fadeaway jumper. Just like there's a difference between settling for an easy hook vs fighting someone who is contesting your position and moving in for a closer layup. I don't take away from KG's toughness simply because he's a jump shooter and I don't give Yao credit for toughness just because he shoots inside. That's his game. There's no inherent extra toughness in being a post-up center vs a multifaceted hybrid PF.
     
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    1. boston's defense last year was really team defense...not that garnett is hakeem or bill russell or something.

    2. he is a good rebounder, but if u look at carefully, he is a pretty average offensive rebounder. His stat is somewhat inflated in the sense that in Minnesota, he was the best rebounder in a pretty bad rebounding team, so he gets the most rebounds big deal. It's like white guy in Warrior's team, getting tons of rebound cuz no one else in the team is hustling for rebounds anyways.
     
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    yeah, but can they beat toronto twice? I say no.
     
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    From what I've seen, good rebounders tend to be good rebounders, regardless of who they play with. The numbers may fluctuate to some extent but not significantly. In other words, put Biedrins on a team with other good rebounders, he still likely grabs 10+ rpg if he gets similar minutes.
     
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    that's why he played 2nd & sometimes 3rd fiddle during the playoffs when atlanta was spanking that a$$ and later during their run

    garnett has never put a team on his shoulders and succeeded
     
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    damn that brian s guy can shoot 3's
     
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    LOL! KG body up Bosh and put his head to lick Bosh's armpit. Bosh is such a whimp and didnt even dare to swing his elbow at KG's skull. Break KG's freaking skull man. KG is such a jerk.
     
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    I look at it this way they struggled to beat the Raptors two nights in a row and needed spectacular performances from Allen and Pierce.
     

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