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Bonzi for Jackson didn't work out from a winning standpoint

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Apr 20, 2008.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Just watching the New Orleans game and seeing Bonzi get buckets inside, and most importantly rebound....I couldn't help but wonder what an impact he might have made last night if he was in there instead of Bobby Jackson.

    Granted we needed Jackson last night because of Rafer's injury. But still, we're getting killed inside and on the boards, and outside of Mutombo, Bonzi was our only vetern inside.

    Why trade away your only vetern inside scroing presence and leave the job to 3 rookies? I think we're seeing the chickens coming home to roost or whatever.
     
  2. rofflesaurus

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    i dont think mike james couldve done worse than bjax either ;)
     
  3. JBIIRockets

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    Please consider than N.O. has Chris Paul at the top of his game, and a very effective physical player in David West, whereas the Rockets have no Yao Ming and a 70% T-Mac.
     
  4. quickballah

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    Bobby Jacksons true value is off the bench being a spark. He ignites our bench but he can't do that when Rafer iks injured. Once we get Rafer back, Bobby will go back to his 6th man position and show his true value
     
  5. jump shooter

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    The rockets made the trade before Yao go hurt. So its just bad luck.
     
  6. lastmanstanding

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    At the time it was a good trade for both sides. We get out of MJ's horrible contract and get a solid vet backup. Nobody knew that both Yao and Landry would go down. BJax still has time to redeem himself because it's only been one game.
     
  7. Nick

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    Drafting Yao Ming hasn't worked out from a winning standpoint

    Trading for T-mac hasn't worked out from a winning standpoint

    Hiring JVG and then Rick Adelman hasn't worked out from a winning standpoint.

    Moving to the Toyota Center hasn't worked out from a winning standpoint.

    Wow... you can really make a lot of "hasn't worked out" arguments considering that we haven't won a playoff series since 1997. Basically, every single thing the organization has done could be questioned... since this team is in a serious holding pattern.
     
  8. H-TownBBall

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    Would you really want Mike James out there? The dude hasn't even shown flashes of his former self like Jackson has. Bonzi may be a veteran, but he is an overrated one. Everything he gets on offense he gives back up on defense with all his gambling.

    The biggest part you are ignoring though is that without Yao, the Rockets aren't going anywhere in the playoffs. A first round victory would be nice, but championships are what matter. By getting rid of Mike James' contract and getting Bobby Jackson's expiring contract, we now have a means to get a good to very good player in the offseason. Patience grasshopper. Next year will be even sweeter when we win 2+ rounds. I have faith in Morey's ability to continue to reshape this roster.
     
  9. GATER

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    Technically, what you're saying is true. Wells was traded on Feb21. Yao's injury announcement came 6 days later.

    The question I would ask...how much information did Rocket's management have that Yao was playing through the fracture? IOW, I don't think it's that easy to dismiss the sequence of events as just "bad luck".
     
  10. BMoney

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    You are being stupid. Just stop. Please explain why the Rockets would not be willing to look after Yao one week and have him play through a fracture and then make the opposite decision later? Considering that the stress fracture was caught at an early stage, your speculation makes even less sense.
     
  11. ind0fo0

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    from a winning standpoint you are right.

    simply because bonzi trade was not based on a winning standpoint.
    more so it was made for next season and cap space (mj contract).

    rick and morey can say all they want about how bjax and ra were familiar and blah. sure, but that was not the main point of the trade.

    can't wait to see what morey does for us this off season!
     
  12. DaDakota

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    8 points and 5 rebounds.....

    Wow - that would have made all the difference in the world.

    Or, maybe just maybe, Bobby Jackson had a bad shooting night.

    The Bonzi trade worked for so many reasons......and is still working.

    With Bonzi this team would still be underdogs to Utah.

    Bonzi is gone.....and this topic is old.

    DD
     
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    bobby bad shooting along with our inability to secure simple rebounds which you have to think bonzi would have aided.

    but thats looking back, and yes, the topic is old.
     
  14. Zboy

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    Do you really need to make personal attacks when you see someone you don't agree with?

    Here's what your other 2 recent posts have had to say to people you didn't agree with...

     
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    The Bonzi trade only worked from a monetary standpoint. I'd rather have him right now for inside penetration, rebounding and scoring.
     
  16. H-TownBBall

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    Would you rather win 1 round this year and 2 rounds next year or 0 rounds this year and the championship next year. I really think that is what the trade was all about. I would much rather have option 2. Just ask the Suns.
     
  17. Sherlock

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    I don't know that it was a GREAT trade, but I think it was a good trade.

    Bonzi would have been gone after the season. Yes, he would have played for a contract during the playoffs, and would have been a huge help if we ended up playing the Spurs. But, he is a knucklehead, although not necessarily bad chemistry, but erratic, and depending on where he was partying the night before, someone you couldn't depend on. But, as soon as the season would be over, his contract would be gone, and even though it would have lowered us under the luxury limit, wouldn't have helped get anyone else. This way, we continue to get value in a potential trade with an expiring that's bigger.

    BJax had more value during the streak, IMHO. He quickly showed a lot of the guys how to do Adelman's offense, which sped up the learning curve, especially for the rookies. He solidified it where we most needed it, behind Rafer. James was totally erratic for whatever reason.

    So, bottom line, I believe we got more performance, quicker integration of Adelman's system, and a trading chit next year that will help us get some real talent, not just a maximized deal, or lucky with someone like Scola. If we'd have had that contract this winter, we'd have probably ended up with Mike Miller, and gone farther, and perhaps we have that to look forward to.
     
  18. poprocks

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    Well if you plan for the future, then yes. Cept I think B-Jackson will not be part of the team next year. He's gonna be gone. We got a lot of young players and that bodes well for the future. We can trade some of them for a Veteran. But this year might be all she wrote with the way our guards are currently playing.
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    Even if you believe the topic of this thread has any relevance, it makes no sense to ponder it until at least after both HOU and NO have completed their respective playoff runs.
     
  20. Dave_78

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    This team gets swept if Brooks/Head are the PG.

    Jackson may be a bad shooter these days but he plays better defense than any other little guy on the roster. He is also a decent ball handler.
     

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