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Bob Sura, when will the honeymoon be over?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by littlefish_220, Jan 10, 2005.

  1. littlefish_220

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    First of all, I start this thread not to bash Sura, just want to listen to the opinions of you guys.

    I notice that most rockets fan say good things of Bob Sura right now. However, as I watch all the games, I think Sura is really bad at decision-making. Take the example of last game, he had a couple of wild passes. AND, he is pretty TO-prone, those two stepping out of bounds without any defense pressure made me really bad.

    I can understand why sura is likable for many fans. He hustles, he pushes up ball, he rebounds, he drives to basketball if given chance. He is most energetic guy among our starters. But on the other hand, he is a really poor shooter, especially for 3-pointer, he is not good at organizing fast-break, he is somewhat TO-prone, and not a good decision-maker IMO.

    I don't want to involve SF into this discussion, but I have to. IMO, SURA is very alike SF, but not as good as SF in every respect. I know, we don't hace such a high expectation on him as SF'S case. However, last year when some people talked about trading SF, they want a smart and good decision-making PG for this team. It turned out to be a pipe dream now.

    Some people may say we have T-mac to handle the ball in crunch time, he is the best organizer on this team. That is ture. But I do think we need a real pg, if not this season, but in the long term.

    In some critical games of this season down the road, I hope it won't happen, but I think sura's lack of decision-making will compromise this team.
     
  2. Cohen

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    Have you actually compared his t/o's to some norm, or is this just anecdotal?
     
  3. littlefish_220

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    from stat, his assist/TO is about 2, not very bad. my conclusion is from my observation. He is not running fast break well; in half-court system, he usually simply puts the ball in hands of t-mac. When he wants to creat up some chances to set up teammates, he is not very good, either. He is never the focus of the defense. Even under such circumstance, he has some casual turnovers.
     
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    Sura is at his best with the ball in his hands, pushing it to the hole, whether on the break or in the set up. He is at his worst spotting up from 3 land. Good things happen for us when he gets into the paint area. Even though he throws a couple bad passes and steps out of bounds or whatever, his game is in the interior and he is a positive impact if he plays that game. He should be dribbling into the paint or making cuts through the paint when he doesn't have the basketball. That's it. On the defensive end, Sura should be guarding the slowest of the 1, 2, or 3 men, hopefully the 2 or the 3, and going to the glass like he has been. We shouldn't try to make him something he is not and he is not a spot up 3 point shooter.
     
  5. crash5179

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    I guess I am just so used to the terrible decision making of Steve over the last several years that Sura looks like a genius decision maker by comparison.
     
  6. Chilly_Pete

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    You have to remember that he is not really a point guard. He plays hard defense, hustles, and pushes the ball. Even in a Rockets blowout he is down on the floor fighting for the ball. I don't thinks fans will get tired of a player like that. He doesn't always make bad decisions either. I have seen him make some smart decisions on the fast break. His biggest weakness is that he doesn't always hit the open shot.
     
  7. TECH

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    Perfection is a rarity nowadays......
     
  8. YallMean

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    Bob is more of a SG. We dont have a pure PG except for Barret. End of argument.
     
  9. baller4life315

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    Not bad for yet another shooting guard asked to play the point in JVG's system.

    Sura is the kind of player you need on your team. A team first guy that gives it his all, no questions asked. He doesn't mind playing 35 minutes a game and only taking 3-5 shots. On the same token, he can score if asked too---granted, he's a bad shooter but he is still effective.

    Sura's play is making up for the mistake in signing Charlie Ward and missing out on guys like Brent Barry, Derek Fisher, Mike James, Damon Jones, etc.
     
  10. beyao

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    I think this is the key point...Sura is doing his best, which is decent and better than probably any other option we currently have, but make no mistake about it...this team ain't go anywhere until we bring in a real PG.
     
  11. YallMean

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    Well, if we can get a half Tony Parker out of him, I can live with Bob.
     
  12. topfive

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    I think you have to look beyond the TO totals of just the point guard and look at how the team plays with him running it. With Sura at the helm, the team overall has been less turnover-prone than it was when he was injured.

    The Rox had a total of 5 turnovers in the Laker game, despite it being a relatively high-possession game, with both teams scoring over 100. I don't know if the Rockets as a team had a 5-turnover game during Steve's entire tenure here.
     
  13. Man

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    lol
    Sura is improving on his shooting and he is a good all around player. I like him for his good skills and traits. He should also improve as a point guard gradually.
     
  14. torque

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    Sura's +/- is 6.7, so is Wesley's. He has a 1.9 Ast/TO ratio, which is very good. McGrady's is 2.3, Wesley's is 2.27. So all 3 of our guards handle the ball well and do not make many mistakes. I am very happy with Sura, unless he starts taking 3 point shots.
     
  15. Kim

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    Not many people believe Bob Sura will be the point guard of the Rockets' future championship teams.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    He is not the answer for the PG spot, but look at his stats. He is making valuable contributions.

    His assists- 6,8,4,4,3,12,7,5
    Rebounds- 5,7,4,10,5,0,10,3
    Steals- 3,1,1,5,1,0,1,5

    He is shooting 45% from the field, his assist/turnover ratio is 1.92, he's getting almost 6 rebounds a game, and he adds 1.4 steals per game.

    He is not super consistent but he can make plays. He's effective for 25-30 minutes per game.
     
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    I think in the offseason, JVG will try to get Daniels or someone to start at point, and Sura will play the 2 or come off the bench.
     
  18. Man

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    That sounds good really good. Sura can take Jon Barry's role. If we can get Bobby Simmons to play with Tmac..that would be nice too. We'd still have Wesley too.

    Then only thing we'd have to work on would be PF position.
     
  19. torque

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    And where will Wesley play? We have the full MLE for next year right? I would rather use it to sign a bruising PF, trade Taylor for a draft pick or TE.

    I wouldnt mind a lineup like this next year at all:
    PG Sura/Barrett
    SG Wesley/Barry
    SF McGrady/FA backup SF
    PF Fortson(for example)/Howard
    C Ming/Mutombo

    Essentially the same team with a better PF.
     
  20. RocketForever

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    Francis had 3 years. Yao had 2 years. Sura at least deserves 1 year IMHO. :p
     

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