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Bloated Bill Backed by Bush's Big Energy Buddies Blocked!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Nov 21, 2003.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    Where are the fiscal conservatives on this one? This thing sounds very bad, and sadly it will probably get through eventually.

    Opponents block energy bill, a key Bush proposal
    Frist: 'This will not be the last vote.'
    Steve Turnham
    CNN Washington Bureau


    WASHINGTON (CNN) --Opponents of the $31 billion Republican energy bill blocked its passage in the Senate Friday morning, throwing the future of the President's energy policy -- a main plank of his domestic agenda --into grave doubt.

    The bill's backers narrowly failed to win the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster led by Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, with six rebel Republicans providing the key votes.

    The final vote was 57 to 40, but Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said Republicans will keep trying.

    "I do want to let colleagues know this will not be the last vote," said Frist. "We are going to keep voting until we pass it and get it to the President's desk."

    Backers and opponents of the bill said a provision providing protection from lawsuits for firms that make and distribute MTBE, a gasoline additive that has been found to contaminate groundwater, turned opinion against the bill.

    "This bill is a full-scale retreat when it comes to environmental protection for America," said Schumer. "To walk away from basic environmental protection in the name of promoting energy is a bad deal for America's future."

    Energy Committee Chairman Sen. Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico, said the bill's opponents have made future blackouts, such as the one the northeast suffered in August, more likely.

    "The blackouts in America will remain alive and possible because we will have thrown out the window the reliability standards that are in this bill because some want to make the case on an issue like MTBE or the like," said Domenici. "If you like blackouts, then you vote to kill this bill."

    While the Democrats were chiefly opposed to a provision providing protection from lawsuits for firms that make and distribute MTBE, Republicans focused on the enormous amount of pork stuffed into the bill.

    "You can't claim to be a fiscal conservative and support the profligate spending and corporate welfare in this bill," said Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona. He called the bill a "twelve hundred page monstrosity chock full of special interest giveaways."

    A group of farm state democrats, including Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, reluctantly supported the bill because of a provision that would have doubled domestic production of corn based ethanol, a high priority for corn farmers. But Daschle also had serious reservations about the bill and its impact on the environment, and did not pressure his colleagues to get behind it.

    The bill was born in secret energy task force meetings headed by Vice President Dick Cheney and authored by Capitol Hill Republicans with little input from Democrats.








    Find this article at:
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/21/energy.congress/index.html
     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Good to see that Senators are standing up to the corporate welfare that has become one of the hallmarks of this administration.
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Democrats continue their obstructionist ways. This energy bill is vital in spurring economic growth in the sector. This bill will create many jobs. It has broad reaching economic and security implications. It is a shame that the liberals would rather have a weaker economy, a weaker job market and a weaker national security.

    Once again, the Democrats erupt like a pustule upon the buttock in an effort to obstruct progress in America.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    The Republicans who opposed did oppose it because of pork.

    Dashle supported it because of pork.

    And the Dems opposed it because the environmentalists are watching.
     
  5. RocketMan Tex

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    The Democrats erupt like a pustule upon the buttock because the Republicans are the buttock!:D
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Before going through the subroutine that caused you to select T_J form post no. 364A, you should have read the article.

    There is bipartisan opposition (and support) for the bill.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    And because its a horrible bill.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Sam, the article indicates that only 6 Republicans voted against. Clearly, the liberals were the driving force behind this economic and national security set-back.
     
  9. rimrocker

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    Socialize the costs, privatize the profits. Same ole, same ole.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Look at the liberals coming out of the woodwork to oppose this bill which would:

    A) Create jobs
    B) Strengthen national security
    C) Help prevent blackouts
    D) Provide economic incentive for clean coal technologies
    E) Give a boost to the energy sector, a sector which influences nearly all aspects of our economy.

    Look out below! This pustule is about to EXPLODE
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    But why is it a horrible bill? Seems to me like RocketmanTex is a Republican on this issue.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    indeed? 6 republicans out of what, 51? Truly shocking to think that around 12% of Republican Senators are in a state of outright rebellion against their partisan svengalis and Karl Rove. The Republican Senate leadership has clearly descended into a state of chaotic disarray. I think it is safe to say that Majority Leader Bill Frist's political career is being defibrillated right now. I'm sorry to have to tell you this, Dr. Frist, but we did all we could....

    TIME OF DEATH: 5:00 EST
     
  14. SamFisher

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  15. Mr. Clutch

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    1st of all, don't know what inter alia means. Secondly, is it your position that it's bad for enviornmental reasons, corporate welfare, or both?
     
  16. SamFisher

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    inter alia = among other things, [or thats the way I use it.]

    both.
     
  17. Buck Turgidson

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    "I'm not saying that this bill won't generate some energy. It will certainly fuel the coffers of big oil and gas corporations. It will propel the wealthy special interests. And it will boost the deficit into the stratosphere. Indeed, this legislation can be fairly called the Leave no Lobbyist Behind Act of 2003.
    There are also four proposals known as 'green bonds' for construction of commercial buildings that will cost taxpayers $227 million to finance approximately $2 billion in private bonds. One of my favorite green bond proposals is a $150 million riverfront area in Shreveport, Louisiana. This river walk has about 50 stores, a movie theater and a bowling alley. One of the new tenants in this Louisiana Riverwalk is a Hooters restaurant. Yes my friends. Here we have an energy bill subsidizing both hooters and polluters." - Senator John McCain

    Good to see there's at least 6 members of the GOP who haven't completely abandoned the concept of fiscal responsibility. It seems that there are several "conservatives" on this board who place partisanship above principles.
     
  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    T_J's obvious externalization of his preoccupations with his own skin disfunctions is disturbing at the least, and perhaps worthy of institutionalization.

    T_J, quit popping them. They will get infected. Just wash your skin more often. And stay on your meds, m'kay?
     
  19. HootOwl

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    This article in the Washington Post discusses the bipartisan alarm over current and proposed future spending....couple this with the tax cute and yikes....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8763-2003Nov23.html

    Alarms Sounded On Cost of GOP Bills
    Lawmakers Increase Spending to Win Votes
    By Jonathan Weisman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, November 24, 2003; Page A01

    As Congress rushes to conclude its 2003 session, Republican leaders are trying to garner votes for controversial legislation by loading the bills with billions of dollars in added costs that analysts said would expand the budget deficit for years to come. The year-end binge has alarmed analysts in Washington and on Wall Street, coming as it does after three years of presidential and congressional initiatives that have both substantially boosted government spending and shrunk its tax base.


    "The U.S. budget is out of control," the Wall Street investment firm Goldman Sachs & Co. warned Friday in its weekly newsletter to clients.

    In the final days of the congressional session, GOP leaders added billions of dollars to energy and Medicare bills to help persuade key factions to support the legislation. Overall, the energy bill would cost $33 billion and the Medicare bill $400 billion.

    Less noticed were congressional moves to expand veterans' benefits by $22 billion and increase spending on forest-thinning projects from $420 million a year to $760 million to ensure passage of forest legislation promoted by the White House. Lawmakers are also trying to extend 14 expiring tax cuts through 2004, at a cost to the Treasury of more than $7 billion.

    All those actions come in the face of a federal budget deficit already projected to rise from a record $374 billion in the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30 to close to or above $500 billion in the current fiscal year.

    "The only thing I can tell you is evidently the word 'tomorrow' no longer exists in the vocabulary of otherwise responsible members of Congress," said Warren Rudman, a former New Hampshire Republican senator and long-standing budget hawk. "They are acting as if there is no tomorrow."

    Former Treasury secretary Robert E. Rubin said, "Our political system has simply lost its willingness to take the very difficult path of maintaining fiscal discipline."

    .............

    And all of that has come on top of three consecutive tax cuts totaling more than $1.7 trillion over the next decade.

    White House officials remain sanguine. A brightening economic picture should offset some of the additional costs, said J.T. Young, a spokesman for the White House Office of Management and Budget. The deficit will peak this year but is still on course to be cut in half by 2008, he said.

    Stuart Roy, spokesman for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), said the "hundreds of thousands of jobs" that would be created by the energy bill would more than offset its cost, and by injecting free-market competition into Medicare, the prescription drug bill should actually restrain costs.

    But some budget experts say such optimism is a large part of the problem.

    "It's very hard for Congress to show fiscal restraint when the White House hasn't raised the deficit as a primary issue," said Robert D. Reischauer, a former Congressional Budget Office director who now heads the Urban Institute. "Spending restraint and tax increases are unnatural acts on Capitol Hill. It takes some political leadership from White House, some external motivation, to get Congress to focus on the deficit, and there doesn't seem to be any of those forces at work."

    Goldman Sachs economists concluded last week that tax cuts and surging spending will push the deficit this year to half a trillion dollars, and "any thoughts of relief thereafter are a pipe dream until political priorities adjust."

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  20. RocketMan Tex

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    :confused: :confused: :confused:

    How ya figure, Juniormint?
     

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