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Bleeding Heart Tightwads: Liberals are less charitable than Republicans

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  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

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    I can't say I'm surprised. They talk a lot about how compassionate they are, but they don't back it up with actions. Joe Biden averaged $369 to charity over the last 10 years - 'nuff said

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=1&em

    Bleeding Heart Tightwads

    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
    Published: December 20, 2008
    This holiday season is a time to examine who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, but I’m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

    Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times
    Nicholas D. Kristof

    Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

    Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

    Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

    The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans — the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

    “When I started doing research on charity,” Mr. Brooks wrote, “I expected to find that political liberals — who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did — would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.”

    Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than America in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.

    Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of G.N.P., according to a terrific new book, “Philanthrocapitalism,” by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

    (Looking away from politics, there’s evidence that one of the most generous groups in America is gays. Researchers believe that is because they are less likely to have rapacious heirs pushing to keep wealth in the family.)

    When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches — that a fair amount of that money isn’t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires.

    It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

    According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

    In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It’s great to support the arts and education, but they’re not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

    Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

    So, you’ve guessed it! This column is a transparent attempt this holiday season to shame liberals into being more charitable. Since I often scold Republicans for being callous in their policies toward the needy, it seems only fair to reproach Democrats for being cheap in their private donations. What I want for Christmas is a healthy competition between left and right to see who actually does more for the neediest.

    Of course, given the economic pinch these days, charity isn’t on the top of anyone’s agenda. Yet the financial ability to contribute to charity, and the willingness to do so, are strikingly unrelated. Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

    So, even in tough times, there are ways to help. Come on liberals, redeem yourselves, and put your wallets where your hearts are.
     
  2. juicystream

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    Conservatives - Higher take home pay and let individuals decide what causes are worthy.

    Liberals - Higher taxes and let the government decide who deserves your money.

    Liberals love donating to the government.
     
  3. deepblue

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    Nothing scientific, but here in Boston a lot of my liberal friends are fairly charitable. Although it seems for them Arts and Science charities gets more play than basic human needs charities.

    Oh yeah, $369 a year for Biden is beyond pathetic.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    More like, "liberals love having Republicans donate to the government", since the Republicans are the successful ones paying more in taxes
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    That's probably the same amount as a normal dinner with him and his union cronies
     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the two richest people in america supported obama.
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    So you would say that liberals pay more in taxes? lol

    anecdotal evidence is weak, brah
     
  8. deepblue

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    Massachusetts voted to keep our state income tax last month. :D
     
  9. pgabriel

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    :confused:

    yes, my bad it hard to argue with all these hardcore stats you and this article provided
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    lol awesome. Liberals loooove them some taxes!
     
  11. deepblue

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    You can stop using Buffet as if somehow he represents the majority of high income earners. He does not.

    The more I find out about Obama, the less liberal he seems. I must say I like him a lot better now than before.
     
  12. bnb

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    So I'd guess the numbers are pretty close then if you exclude religion. And I don't mean that as a slight on religious giving -- with the possible exception of the mega-churches, many (most?) religious organizations do amazing charitable work in their communities.

    It's just that if you're guaging the generousity of people's souls -- one group has the local pastor passing the plate every Sunday. Makes it tougher to 'not get around' to giving ;).
     
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    I'm just responding to Bigtexxx's post, although i do find it funny that buffet supporting obama irks some of you guys so much
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    You should absolutely not exclude religion from charitable giving
     
  15. deepblue

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    More like it irks people when you present Buffet or Gates as the voice of all.
     
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    States that vote Republican tend to take more from the government than they contribute. States that vote Democratic tend to give a lot more than they get in federal tax dollars.

    http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html
     
  17. Drexlerfan22

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    Funny, because it made up almost the entirety of your argument against Obama for president.
     
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    Is this another thread about neocons blowing up the national debt and valiant Liberals coming in to save the country with thrifty spending practices ?
     
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    I agree.

    That's why I didn't quote the comment on "lavish spires."

    Just more of an observation on behavior. It's the attendance at church that seems to have a bigger impact on giving then one's 'liberalism.' Churches and alumni groups are at a different level all together when it comes to fundraising! And I only have to deal with my alumni guys once a year by mail.
     

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