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Black Monday

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by J.R., Dec 31, 2012.

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Heads on the chopping block!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>HCs to be fired today include Andy Reid, Pat Shurmur, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/285734430381834241" data-datetime="2012-12-31T13:09:31+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Shahid Khan today announced that the team is parting ways with general manager Gene Smith. <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Jaguars">#Jaguars</a></p>— Jacksonville Jaguars (@jaguars) <a href="https://twitter.com/jaguars/status/285734408244314112" data-datetime="2012-12-31T13:09:26+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Black Monday begins. The Cleveland Browns have just fired HC Pat Shurmur</p>— Jay Glazer (@JayGlazer) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/285746189364760580" data-datetime="2012-12-31T13:56:15+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>In addition to Shurmur the Browns have also fired GM Tom Heckert</p>— Jay Glazer (@JayGlazer) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/285749479498461184" data-datetime="2012-12-31T14:09:19+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Jets announced they fired GM Mike Tannenbaun and are keeping HC Rex Ryan.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/285751133891342338" data-datetime="2012-12-31T14:15:53+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Chiefs fire Romeo Crennel, not Scott Pioli <a href="http://t.co/qkSxWgXZ" title="http://wp.me/p14QSB-6QQk">wp.me/p14QSB-6QQk</a></p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/285750498382983169" data-datetime="2012-12-31T14:13:22+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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I was listening to the show before Matt and Adam
and that guy made it seem like up to like 8 coaches could get the axe

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when was the last time a coach lead a team to the playoffs and got canned?

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when was the last time a coach lead a team to the playoffs and got canned?
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The Eagles officially announced the dismissal of Andy Reid.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Eagles make it official and announce the firing of Andy Reid. Within a few hours Chargers will do the same with their coach and GM...</p>— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/285763391191130117" data-datetime="2012-12-31T15:04:36+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Bears sending out request forms to speak to other head coach candidates per Adam Schefter. Still no word though that Lovie is out.

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Bears sending out request forms to speak to other head coach candidates per Adam Schefter. Still no word though that Lovie is out.
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Just heard that as well, personally I think it's a major mistake if the Bears fire Lovie.

Edit, words just come down they've let Lovie go. SMH, they better have a much better canidate in their sights.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Bears">#Bears</a> have fired coach Lovie Smith, I'm told <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23BlackMonday">#BlackMonday</a></p>— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/285773351094452225" data-datetime="2012-12-31T15:44:10+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Just heard that as well, personally I think it's a major mistake if the Bears fire Lovie.

Edit, words just come down they've let Lovie go. SMH, they better have a much better canidate in their sights.
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A friend of mine is a dedicated Bears fan and said he would really be ticked off if they fire Lovey. They need to throw Mike Tice off a cliff and keep Lovey IMO.

How in the world did Mike Tice ever get a head coaching job? He's not even close to being OC material.

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Yeah, they should have kept Lovie. That offense has been a mess ever since I can remember. Even when they were in the Superbowl. I cant really blame Lovie.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Bears">#Bears</a> have fired coach Lovie Smith, I'm told <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23BlackMonday">#BlackMonday</a></p>— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/285773351094452225" data-datetime="2012-12-31T15:44:10+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Oh boy! This is gonna be fun to follow.

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A friend of mine is a dedicated Bears fan and said he would really be ticked off if they fire Lovey. They need to throw Mike Tice off a cliff and keep Lovey IMO.

How in the world did Mike Tice ever get a head coaching job? He's not even close to being OC material.
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I've been a life long Bears fan as well and I hoping they'd give him at least 2 more years, Tice was a disaster but the only choice after last season so there wouldn't be as much of a shake up in the playcalling from Martz.

Lovie will get a new position ASAP and the only replacement I'd be happy with for the Bears would be Jon Gruden.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Bills fired Chan Gailey.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/285776693896019972" data-datetime="2012-12-31T15:57:27+00:00">December 31, 2012</a></blockquote>
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I've been a life long Bears fan as well and I hoping they'd give him at least 2 more years, Tice was a disaster but the only choice after last season so there wouldn't be as much of a shake up in the playcalling from Martz.

Lovie will get a new position ASAP and the only replacement I'd be happy with would be Jon Gruden.
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Question for you: After Mike Martz, don't you think they needed a shift on offense? IMO, Lovey is gone specifically because of Martz and Tice (and the o-line). I thought the Bears were Super Bowl contenders last season until Cutler's thumb injury. I think they could have made a run like the Giants did.

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Question for you: After Mike Martz, don't you think they needed a shift on offense? IMO, Lovey is gone specifically because of Martz and Tice (and the o-line). I thought the Bears were Super Bowl contenders last season until Cutler's thumb injury. I think they could have made a run like the Giants did.
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Tice was supposed to go to a more traditional style which is what he did but the offense just couldn't get any consistent efforts for whatever reason.

Last season, if Cutler didn't get hurt Martz probably would have gotten an extension even with the ragtag O-line they put together which was mostly the last GM's fault.

What scares me as a fan is that if they go with a hot OC or DC and just take a down slope wasting prime years for Cutler and Marshall.

With the defense's age, changing over the staff could just kill the window.

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Kubiak needs to be on that list lol >.<

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Cowher, Kelly, O'Brien possible Eagles candidates per Sal Pal. Mike McCoy, Jay Gruden, Bruce Arians possible fallback options(also per Sal Pal).

Bears have asked for permission to interview Broncos OC Mike McCoy per Jay Glazer.

Lovie Smith and his tenure in Chicago:

The epitaph for Lovie Smith's tenure as head coach of the Bears could read, "He couldn't fix the offense."

For all the good things Smith did in his nine years in Chicago, his undoing was his inability to take care of the side of the ball in which he had no background.

The Bears fired Smith on Monday after a 10-6 season, Tribune sources have confirmed. They started 7-1 but fell apart down the stretch, mostly because they couldn't score.

Since Smith took over in 2004, the Bears have ranked higher than 23rd in offense only once. They have ranked 28th or lower four times.

Smith tried four offensive coordinators during his Bears career. His first thought was to run a similar offense to the one he was familiar with when he was defensive coordinator of the Rams, so he hired Terry Shea.

The Bears finished last in the league in offense behind quarterbacks Chad Hutchinson, Craig Krenzel, Jonathan Quinn and Rex Grossman, and Shea was dismissed after one season.

Smith then turned to Ron Turner for his second stint as Bears offensive coordinator. Turner lasted five years in what was the heyday for Smith's offense.

It was during this period that Smith's stubborn allegiance to Grossman became an issue. "Rex is our quarterback," he said over and over again.

Those days Smith often talked frequently about how the Bears "get off the bus running," and the team achieved its offensive identity by pounding the ball with Thomas Jones, then Cedric Benson and finally Matt Forte.

But after the Bears traded for Jay Cutler in 2009 and they still finished 23rd in offense and missed the playoffs, Turner was made the scapegoat and fired.

An extensive job search that included interest in Jeremy Bates, Rob Chudzinski and Tom Clements led the Bears back to Smith's old friend Mike Martz, for whom he had worked in St. Louis. Going from the conservative Turner to the aggressive Martz was quite a philosophical shift for Smith.

Martz's offense sputtered in 2010 but started to come on the next season. Then Cutler broke his thumb in the 10th game, and the team unraveled. The Bears lost five straight, and Martz was fired along with general manager Jerry Angelo, the man who brought Smith to Chicago.

Smith's next move was to go conservative again, this time by promoting offensive line coach Mike Tice. A first-time play caller, Tice made great use of new acquisition Brandon Marshall but struggled to find other reliable targets or to overcome protection issues.

The Bears finished 28th in offense.

The only time Smith enjoyed a fairly efficient offense was in 2006, when the offense ranked 15th in a season that ended in the Super Bowl.

Defensively, the Bears were on the other end of the spectrum under Smith. With perennial Pro Bowlers Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs as the constants, Smith's defenses usually were among the best in the NFL.

Since 2004, the Bears defense ranks first in the league in takeaways, three-and-out drives forced and third-down percentage and is fourth in scoring defense.

Smith's defenders scored 34 touchdowns, which became a signature of the Bears' style of play.

It was Smith's defense that drove the Bears to their first Super Bowl appearance in 21 years after the 2006 season. Smith and Tony Dungy became the first two African-Americans to coach a Super Bowl team as the Bears took on the Colts.

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After the Super Bowl, the Bears appeared set up to be strong contenders for a while. But they failed to reach the playoffs the next three seasons and have made only one postseason appearance in the six seasons since.

During the 2006 season, Smith was the NFL's lowest-paid coach with a salary of $1.35 million. With his success came more power, and he used that to get a new four-year contract worth $5.5 million per season.

He also replaced popular defensive coordinator Ron Rivera with linebackers coach Bob Babich, a controversial move.

"You should trust me as the head football coach to put us in the best position to win games," he said at the time.

Babich lasted two years as coordinator before Smith took over the coordinating duties for a year. In 2010, after being rebuffed by Perry Fewell, Smith promoted defensive line coach Rod Marinelli, who was his first choice for the job when he took over in 2004.

On the day he was hired, Smith said: "The No. 1 goal is to beat Green Bay. One of the first things [then-Chairman] Michael McCaskey said to me, he gave me the history behind the Green Bay-Chicago rivalry and the number of times he wanted us to beat them. I understand that. I feel the pain."

Smith repeated his No. 1 goal many times during his tenure, but he was not able to achieve it often enough. After winning seven of his first 10 games against the Packers, Smith lost eight of his next nine, including the NFC championship game in January 2011 at Soldier Field. The Packers went on to win the Super Bowl.

Smith's teams won the NFC North three times in nine years, but over the same period the Packers won the division six times. Smith was named NFL coach of the year in 2005, when he led the Bears to an NFC North title in his second year.

Smith won 81 games in his Bears career, placing him third in franchise history behind George Halas and Mike Ditka. He finished his tenure 18 games above .500.
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tldr: Good defense, no offense, 9 years, 3 playoff appearances, only 1 in the last 6 years.

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Cowher, Kelly, O'Brien possible Eagles candidates per Sal Pal. Mike McCoy, Jay Gruden, Bruce Arians possible fallback options(also per Sal Pal).

Bears have asked for permission to interview Broncos OC Mike McCoy per Jay Glazer.

Lovie Smith and his tenure in Chicago:

tldr: Good defense, no offense, 9 years, 3 playoff appearances, only 1 in the last 6 years.
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What's Chip Kelly gonna run in the NFL? Seriously?

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...... Waiting for the Titans to announce that they have fired Mike Munchek.

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