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Black men commiting suicide by hanging themselves from a tree

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  1. KingCheetah

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    Families want answers after hanging deaths of 2 Black men in Victorville, Palmdale

    Local authorities say foul play is not suspected in the death of a Black man who was found hanging in a tree near the Victorville City Library more than a week before a second, similar case near City Hall in Palmdale.

    Malcolm Harsch, 38, was found near a homeless encampment near Zenda and Seventh streets after deputies responded around 7 a.m. May 31 to a report of a man who had hung himself, San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department spokesperson Jodi Miller said.


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    I mean, there may be nothing more to these deaths than authorities say.

    But.........hanging oneself from a tree? Death by hanging, sure, see also, Bourdain, Anthony; Williams, Robin; but from a tree? It happens---when I was in the Navy in Sicily, a dude hanged himself from a tree near base---but it's awwwwwwwwwwwwfully odd, here, now, isn't it?
     
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    California AG to probe Robert Fuller hanging as protesters question police ruling suicide

    California’s attorney general is expected to conduct an independent investigation into the death of Robert Fuller, a 24-year-old black man found hanging from a tree in Palmdale, about 60 miles north of Los Angeles.

    Though the city of Palmdale said it appeared Fuller died of an apparent suicide, activists claim officials rushed to judgment, arguing the man could have been a victim of a lynching. Fuller was the second black man to be found hanging from a tree within two weeks in the Antelope Valley area.

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  4. Nook

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    I'm not an expert...... but my uneducated guess is that if a black man decides to take his life, lynching isn't going to be high on his list of choices.
     
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    Not just from a tree, but a tree on public property. About 22% of suicides are by hanging. I can't find a stat, but most hanging suicides are done in private places, like inside one's home, so they won't be interrupted. Maybe authorities have good reason to think they are suicides, but they've bungled the public relations. In this climate, you've gotta give the public a reason to believe you.
     
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    With all the cameras around.. There has to be one that captured these dudes at least on the way to the trees.
     
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    Two black men choosing suicide by hanging from a tree in a public area in relative close proximity is quite a coincidence.
     
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    Makes total sense that black men would self-lynch, right?
     
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    If he wants to cause trouble, it would be.
     
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    If it was a lynching there should be some signs of struggle I would think
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Dark.... but true.
     
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    This is so strange regardless of suicide or murder -- seems like a lynching couldn't possibly not be noticed -- murdering the men then hanging them seems like it would be really clear to investigators and very difficult to pull off without being seen. Suicide is the only relatively quick way that this could go unnoticed long enough to complete, but is still very odd especially when you hear from the families. It's not hard for suicidal people to hide their emotional state from friends and family, but there are usually some indicators that something is off. The special investigation should be very interesting.
     
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    Yeah I'm not sure how it could be pulled off, maybe by drugging them or throwing a chloroform rag over their face to knock them out and hang them. Outside of that, it could be like a statement/protest suicide.
     
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    White people do mass shootings, black people self-lynch? I mean maybe, but there's a lot of ways to fall big if that's your intent.
     
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    In Houston too. No confirmation of race but it looks like the blacks are suddenly lynching themselves! o_O


     
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    It was meant to be a statement there should be a note you'd think - or some indication it was a statement.

    It's all just very strange.
     
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    That's a fair speculation, but may assume too much pride or rational self interest for a suicide. Tony Dungy's kid hung himself, so by a reasonable interpretation of self-lynching it's also not at all unprecedented. His depression or hopelessness could certainly overlap with some sense of racial mistreatment and perhaps he could have seen this as some kind of indirect rebuttal. There could also be underlying outright mental illness like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia that undermines any sense of rational action. I just think the kind of depression that leads to suicide draws on too many factors to wholly eliminate an oft used method.

    This is still as good a time as any to investigate thoroughly enough to eliminate the possibility of racial terrorism. Large swaths of the traditional majority lack meaningful options and will not follow the crowd or any rational ideals when acting out.
     
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    This seems like too many to quickly, could be some coordinated terrorist effort by a white supremacy group. That would be very dark.
     
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