Bin Laden gaining strength with help from Tea Party / Republicans

See what happens when you throw the constitution under the bus:


U.S. Anti-Islam Protest Seen as Lift for Extremists

Seth Wenig/Associated Press
Passers-by confronted Abu Rahman, right, Matt Sky, and Julia Lundy, who demonstrated for religious tolerance at the site of a proposed Islamic center near ground zero in Lower Manhattan.


WASHINGTON — Some counterterrorism experts say the anti-Muslim sentiment that has saturated the airwaves and blogs in the debate over plans for an Islamic center near ground zero in Lower Manhattan is playing into the hands of extremists by bolstering their claims that the United States is hostile to Islam.

Opposition to the center by prominent politicians and other public figures in the United States has been covered extensively by the news media in Muslim countries. At a time of concern about radicalization of young Muslims in the West, it risks adding new fuel to Al Qaeda’s claim that Islam is under attack by the West and must be defended with violence, some specialists on Islamic militancy say.

“I know people in this debate don’t intend it, but there are consequences for these kinds of remarks,” said Brian Fishman, who studies terrorism for the New America Foundation here.

He said that Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born cleric hiding in Yemen who has been linked to several terrorist plots, has been arguing for months in Web speeches and in a new Qaeda magazine that American Muslims face a dark future of ever-worsening discrimination and vilification.

“When the rhetoric is so inflammatory that it serves the interests of a jihadi recruiter like Awlaki, politicians need to be called on it,” Mr. Fishman said.

Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks militant Web sites at the security consulting firm Flashpoint Global Partners, said supporters of Al Qaeda have seized on the controversy “with glee.” On radical Web forums, he said, the dispute over the Islamic center, which would include space for worship, is lumped together with fringe developments like a Florida pastor’s call for making Sept. 11 “Burn a Koran Day.”

“It’s seen as proof of what Awlaki and others have been saying, that the U.S. is hypocritical and that most Americans are enemies of Islam,” Mr. Kohlmann said. He called the anti-Islam statements spawned by the dispute “disturbing and sad” and said they were feeding anti-American sentiment that could provoke violence.

While some critics of the Islamic center have carefully limited their objection to its proximity to the site of the Sept. 11 attacks, and have rejected any suggestion that they are anti-Muslim, the issue has tapped into a well of suspicion and hostility to Islam across the country.

Many Republican politicians, including Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin, have said that the proposed location of the center showed insensitivity to the victims of 9/11.

Others political leaders, including President Obama, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg of New York and Gov. Christopher J. Christie of New Jersey, have defended the right of Muslims to build the center or warned against anti-Muslim hysteria.

The dispute has tapped strong emotions in the wake of a series of terrorist plots and attacks over the last year aimed at American targets, several of them inspired or encouraged by Mr. Awlaki. The events included the killing of 13 people in November at Fort Hood, Tex., by an Army psychiatrist, Nidal Malik Hasan; the failed attack on a Detroit-bound airliner on Dec. 25 by a young Nigerian man; and the attempted bombing of Times Square in May by Faisal Shahzad, a financial analyst who had worked for a Connecticut cosmetics company.

Mr. Awlaki, whose Web diatribes calling for attacks on the United States have turned up repeatedly in terrorism investigations, has sought to counter the notion that American tolerance extends to Muslims.

In a March posting, Mr. Awlaki, who lived in the United States for nearly 20 years, predicted that America would become “a land of religious discrimination and concentration camps.”

“Don’t be deceived by the promises of preserving your rights from a government that is right now killing your own brothers and sisters,” he wrote. “Today, with the war between Muslims and the West escalating, you cannot count on the message of solidarity you may get from a civic group or a political party, or the word of support you hear from a kind neighbor or a nice co-worker. The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens!”

Dalia Mogahed of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies said the outcry over the proposed center “plays into Awlaki’s arguments and Osama bin Laden’s arguments” by suggesting that Islam has no place in the United States.

She said that extreme anti-Muslim views in the United States ironically mirror a central tenet of extreme Islamists: “That the world is divided into two camps, and they’re irreconcilable, and Muslims have to choose which side they’re on.”

Mr. Gingrich, the former House speaker and a potential 2012 presidential candidate, said in a Fox News interview that “Nazis don’t have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust museum in Washington,” a comment that drew criticism for appearing to equate those proposing the Islamic center with Nazis.

Asked about the view that such remarks could fuel radicalism, Mr. Gingrich sent an e-mail response on Friday that did not directly address his critics but said that “Americans must learn to tell the truth about radical Islamists while being supportive of and inclusive of moderate Muslims who live in the modern world, respect women’s rights, reject medieval punishment and defend American laws and the American Constitution.” He added that he believed “it is possible to be a deeply religious Muslim and a patriotic American.”

Muqtedar Khan, an associate professor of political science at the University of Delaware, said he was not sure the Islamic center dispute alone would radicalize anyone. But he said it was “demoralizing” for Muslims like him who defend the United States as an open and tolerant society.

“For the first time, anti-Islamic rhetoric has gone mainstream,” he said. “What this really does is weaken the moderates and undermine their credibility.”

 

Bin Laden lost ground the last few years as Muslims the world over saw that the U.S. was not as intolerant and against Islam as bin Laden claimed.

Now many Muslims are saying he was right.

If you think it's a damned if we do damned if we don't kind of situation, I suggest you really delve into it before just passing superfluous judgement - there's far too much as stake here to take that kind of approach.

You want people t think rationally and all that - then pay attention to the impact this really has. Don't just write it off. Why do you think 9/11 happened in the first place?

 

You are grouping all Muslims into well...one group. You can't so grossly oversimplify the dynamics.

You have all sorts of people in the Islamic world - it's so many different cultures and societies. Just like here you have liberal and conservative Muslims. You have Muslims who want to modernize and Muslims who are like evangelicals and very conservative. And you have Muslims who are more extreme. But they are not this homogeneous group.

You have competing groups vying to the future within each of those countries, and each depends on appealing to the larger masses. And what happens here gets broadcast all over the world. The world watches our every move and judges us by our values and how we live up to them.

There are many studies that show how perception towards the U.S. and Bin Laden has shifted over the years with the Election of Obama peaking the U.S. view and lowering the Bin Laden view to it's low. You can easy search for that if you want back up.

So don't trivialize a billion people as being vain. It's not that Muslims support Bin Laden because we don't like them. It's that when Bin Laden says hey - the U.S. really hate Islam and will seek to contain and destroy it...and people see this kind of stuff, it makes them think that maybe Bin Laden is right.

It sows bitterness and resent. And that leads to support of terrorism as a means to redress that, and so on. It's just doesn't help us in anyway.

So just consider that before you write off the impact events here has on the Muslim world.

 

Ummmm, who said that?

 

Bigots begets bigots.

 

You know what's 100 times more pathetic - trying to derail ever single thread someone posts in with the same stupid story that no one gives a crap about.

Get over it. Either post something useful or shut up.