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Big 1 or Cleveland Heat?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by t_mac1, May 31, 2013.

  1. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

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    2009 Cavs playoffs:
    MoWill 16 pts, 4 ast, 3 reb, 53% TS
    West 14 pts, 4 ast, 4 reb, 55% TS
    Big Z 11 pts, 1 ast, 8 reb, 48% TS

    LBJ - 35.3ppg, 9.1rpg, 7.3apg on 51% shooting

    2010 Cavs playoffs:
    MoWill 14 pts, 5 ast, 3 reb, 54% TS
    Jamison 15 pts, 1 ast, 7 reb, 54% TS
    Shaq 12 pts, 1 ast, 6 reb, 56% TS

    LBJ - 29.1ppg, 9.3rpg, 7.6apg on 50% shooting

    2013 Heat playoffs:
    Wade 14 pts, 6 ast, 5 reb, 50% TS
    Bosh 13 pts, 1 ast, 7 reb, 57% TS
    Allen 10 pts, 1 ast, 3 reb, 56% TS

    LBJ - 25.6ppg, 7.3rpg, 6.6apg on 52% shooting (stats skewed b/c LBJ didn't really try the first 2 series). He's averaging 28ppg, 7rpg, 5.3apg on 53% shooting v. the Pacers.
     
  2. WinorLoseMate

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    If you are using statistics to try and make a certain point, you can't add your own basis of opinion into the equation(stats skewed because he didn't try). That pretty much just ruined all the credibility...
     
  3. t_mac1

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    My point was comparing the other players' production moreso than Lebron.

    Wade/Bosh producing at the same rate (if not less) than the Cavs' 2nd/3rd best players is a terrible sign.
     
  4. FoOLiSh_AzN

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    don't tell me lebron needs more help, he has one of the best supporting casts in the NBA...lebron is a great player(best right now)...but the way he plays, you need shooters around him, even chris bosh is now shooting 3s, just so he can stay out of the paint for lebrons drives.
     
  5. Outlier

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    Excuses coming in already in case the Heat don't win the championship. Lol
     
  6. SuperStar

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    LEBRON NEEDZZZ MORE HELPZ!
     
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    How many wins do you guys think the Heat would have had without LeBron this year? I think they would have been a 4-5 seed
     
  8. ItsMyFault

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    2007 Finals rematch?
     
  9. ln3012

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    yeah, probably in that range... which isn't saying much in the EF. they would struggle for a playoff spot out West. Probably would be a 9-10th seed
     
  10. ln3012

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    fixed
     
  11. ParaSolid

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    More than anything, this highlights how terrible Wade and Bosh have been. Wade is banged up every year it seems and Bosh is just playing like a pansy. There is no question, however, that this Miami team is miles better than his Cleveland teams. Better coach, better organization, better teammates though they are underperforming. Better LeBron helps, too. No question, LeBron is in a better situation than he was in Cleveland. He's only had to go to "Cleveland LeBron", in his own words, a couple of times this playoffs whereas that was the gameplan in Mike Brown's "offense."
     
  12. droopy421

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    That is ridiculous.
     
  13. Aleron

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    The difference I see is, when Lebron takes over for Miami, they kill their opponents, whereas it guaranteed nothing in Cleveland.
     
  14. munco

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    1 star thread
     
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    That Cleveland team went to the Finals.
     
  16. Air Langhi

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    2009 LBJ was the greatest postseason in NBA history. If you put up 38 8 8 and your team loses what can you do.
     
  17. Aleron

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    No it didn't
     
  18. DonatasFanboy

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    probably. some 45 wins. it looks kind of comparable to Houston talent wise. except Wade needs more rest than Harden.
     
  19. Tree-Mac

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    So now the Heat are not providing enough help? Why not just make an all-star team specifically for him so he can win his "not 1, not 2,...,not 7" rings? The league is so unfair! I mean, Duncan has Parker and Ginobil andi LeBron is stuck with Wade and Bosh.
     
  20. roslolian

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    Wade Regular Season:
    21.2 pts 5.0 rebs 5.1 asts 0.571 TS%
    Wade Playoffs:
    13.9 pts 4.8 rebs 5.5 asts 0.499 TS%

    Bosh Reg:
    16.6 pts 6.8 rebs 1.7 assists 0.592 TS%
    Bosh Playoffs:
    13 pts 6.6 rebs 1.3 asts 0.572 TS%

    Wade and Bosh are playing way worse in the playoffs than in the regular season, instead of yammering on about LBJ's HOF supporting cast why don't you first take a look at what they're producing and decide if it's HOF worthy :rolleyes: It happened last season as well, Mike Miller and Battier basically outplayed Wade and Bosh in the playoffs.
     

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