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Best Case Scenario for Rockets to be true contenders is for the Dec.06 Yao to return

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tanviraman, May 3, 2008.

  1. tanviraman

    tanviraman Member

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    After reflecting all night on the 07-08 Rockets, this is what it all boils down to. Yao was enjoying his best overall season this year before the injury, however the best ball Yao has ever played in which he was a true superstar was the stretch of 15 to 20 or so games he played in Dec. 06 before he was injured.

    He has never been as dominant including this season again. If we were to ever get that Yao back with even today's Tmac, we can beat anyone in this league in a 7 game series. Tmac is never going to be in the same level as Lebron or Kobe again. He has lost a step and we will never get fair trade value for him either. I predict he will be a Rocket till the end of his contract. But as we saw in games 5 and 6, Tmac is still a tier 2 superstar. As Paul and Williams try to leave tier 2 to join Kobe and Lebron, Tmac if reasonably healthy for the next 3 years, will stay put in Tier 2. If healthy he will always be as good or better than Dirk, Pierce, Nash, Manu, Joe Johnson, Bdavis, and even Dwade(declining with injuries) will probably be joining him at that level now. Look at it this way, if Dallas was smart and valued Tmac and his contract as much as Kidd. They could have offered the Rockets similar and we would have taken it. Would the Mavs have had a much better chance to make a strong run in this years playoffs with Tmac instead of Kidd? No question about it. This year and for the next couple years. But again the question is, if Tmac stays healthy.

    People are complaining so much about our role players. But we have some flexibility to improve our roster and we have some really good role players and a few with really good upside. Scola, Landry, and Battier do not need to go anywhere. Rafer and an improved Brooks (he will be much better next year) can fill the point gard spot. I belive Morey can improve the rest of the roster and add a scorer(sf or sg position) and get Yao a backup regardless of if Deke comes back or not for one more season. Which by the way would be fantastic.

    As Rockets fans, we should be very proud of this team and continue to have hope. Believe that Morey will improve the roster. He clearly will, and we will draft well again. Believe that the big guy upstairs will give our 2 superstars good health the next few years. They're both great guys off the court, they deserve it. And finally, Believe that Yao can become that dominant player from Dec. 06 and Tmac will still maintain his current star level for a couple more years.
     
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    Agreed, while we're at it can we also have the 05 T-mac and the pre 2007 Franchise? I do believe that Yao can get back on track but the others are slowly declining. :(
     
  3. Ziggy

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    I think that Yao existed this year. Only this time with better strength, stamina, and slightly more assertiveness. although his aggression/confidence may have taken a slight dip. The difference was the new offensive system. Yao made it clear he was wary of the change. By the time he got a hang of things, or Adelman got a hang of Yao more so, it was too late. Yao's body had began to break down due to the high minutes.

    I will agree though. The time period you refer to was Yao's best. People often forget about it. He was so dominant, unstoppable. Turnovers and stamina his only weakness. A genuine MVP candidate.
     
  4. MacFu

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    You are right. Yao was as dominant as Shaq in his prime during that stretch. But I am afraid we will never get that Yao Ming back. The Dec 06 Yao Ming might have gone for good with his broken foot.
     
  5. arif1127

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    BS! you know nothing about it, and none of us do either. all we can do is wait and see how yao comes back, and b/c of the surgery he had he is more likely to come back as strong as before than he would have been if he didn't have surgery.
     
  6. bloop

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    Yao played who knows how many games on a busted foot this year.

    He wasn't as sharp as 06 but neither was Yao 100% this year.

    The olympics will be a release for Yao, and with that no longer shadowing him, there's a good chance yao can get back to prime form.

    Yao will be fine. At WORST he'll be 22/10 for the next 5 years and anchors our offense and defense. At best, well sky's the limit.

    I'm more concerned with the post season moves Morey makes. There's NO TEAM in the NBA and in recent NBA history with the chemistry these rockets have... IF (and that's a big IF, every new season is a new deal) they can keep this good chemistry a healthy Yao means Rockets win the 'chip... whether it's 06 yao or 07 yao.
     
  7. Dave_78

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    At the beginning of the season, Tmac was every bit as good as the 05 version. Of course, the elbow injury happened, then the knee, then the shoulder, then the knee again....
     
  8. thesaint

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    Yao has always recovered quickly and his past injuries has never affected his performance. He keeps getting better every season and he still will.

    Bright spots for next season:
    Scola, Landry, Novak n maybe Brooks.

    Rockets Core:
    Yao, Tmac, Battier

    What Rockets need next year: PG!!! Alston is a good backup PG for this team, but i wont mind if he gets traded. Franics is very questionable for this team, i just dont think he fits well with this team. Brooks still has couple years more to develop. If Rockets can land a very good PG that can also shoot from outside n create shots n pick up another good shooter, they will be in great shape for next season.

    Besides everything, Rockets need Yao n Tmac healthy togehter, PERIOD!!! If they stay healthy Rockets got a great chance to become an elite team. This team does not need major changes, it just needs healthy Yao n Tmac.
     
  9. BetterThanEver

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    Rockets get all new medical staff.

    Yao's recovery lasts all the way until the end of the Olympics, so he never gets to play. Yao is well rested and healthy the whole NBA season and the playoffs.

    Landry, T-Mac and Rafer are healthy for at least 75 games.

    Landry adds 4 more inches to his vertical, again.

    They are able to implement the rest of Adelman's corner offense.
     
  10. t_mac1

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    chris paul is already on the level of kobe/lebron.

    tmac is not better than those 3.

    but he's still better than deron. deron has A LOT of help if you don't notice. he didn't do much in the first half and his team could still get a 20 pt lead.

    the wrong thing we did was we didn't double him one single bit in the 2nd half.
     
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    I hope Adleman can reduce Yao's minutes next season. In Dec and Jan., Yao constantly played close to or even more than 40 min, which he had never done before.
     
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    Rafer is probably a good backup PG for any other team in the league. If either the Rockets don't get a PG who is an upgrade to Rafer, or if Brooks doesn't emerge and get better than Rafer, then Rafer will continue to be the team's starting PG. As for Francis, there is the possibility that he might not be part of the team's plans next season since much of the team's success this past season occurred without him.

    As well as Rafer, the team needs anyone else who plays the PG position to be successful.
     
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    I truly think Boozer would've had a great series.
     
  14. tanviraman

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    I don't think Paul is there yet. This is his first post season and Williams is not that far from Paul. Just look at the head to head match ups of Paul and Williams. Tmac is at the same level as Deron, but Deron has got a lot of upside.

     
  15. JujuxG

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    my perfect/ champion team scenario
    Every one stay healthy though out the season and playoff.
     
  16. tanviraman

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    If it doesn't happen, it's like it was never meant to be. We have to continue to suffer and hope, till a new generation of Rockets takes over. Just look at Cubs fans and then Red Sox fans who finally got what they want in a team. Both have gone through generations for ultimate success and Cubs fans are still waiting.
     
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    Yao has to take more shots. He needs to be taking at least 17-19 a game. He's been in the league for years and the team is still figuring out how to play with him.
     
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    Call me a hater, but yao is a dominant player for 30 games, a good player for 35, and kinda a dud for the others. We have seen the best of yao. His talents are even with his skill and his atheleticism. He's not getting any better, plus he's coming off a major injury for a guy his size.

    Can he be a productive player? Yes, but how much can u really depend on the guy to be a impact player? We see all these threads about how to use the guy, but show me the last time a organization wanted to limit a players mintues in his 6th yr. I just think the pampering, which yao never ask for is starting to outweigh the impact. People want to use the shaq theory, but that was after the rings and yrs of dominance. When shaq was 27, he was obliterating great players. He wasn't getting cancelled out by boozer and jefferson type guys. Go in there, play 37 mins, and do the damn deal.
     
  20. YallMean

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    That's why Idont agree with you. Yao is a finesse big fellow,he doesnt need to leave the ground much in a game. Shaq on the other hand totally relies on his physical ability. You want an example, how about Sabonis. He pretty much lost his knees after 30, and yet was still very effective when he was close to 40.
     

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