Thats about the only fun thing we have to look forward to is the damn draft . If we don't make it next year Rudy should be fired.And to top this off the T'Wolves play the Nets tomorrow ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
Battier is a bust. Name 5 Duke players who became NBA stars. Name me 5 Indiana players who became NBA stars. Bobby Knight coached average talent to greatness. Coach K, his protege, followed suit. Now, compare them to Dean Smith players....amazing isn't it. Bobby Knight is a bball genius...but don't ever draft is players...same with Coach K.
Hold on there partner lets not forget for every Vince Carter there is a Serge Zwiker. We'd kill for a Grant Hill right now. Secondly I dont think we need star at the three. We need consistant D and someone who can shoot the three. Having said that I think Battier will be gone by the time we pick so we'll have to settle on Morris, although he has suspect work habits (where have we heard that before?) ------------------
Maybe, but the ratio of Zwikker:Hill at Duke is larger than the ratio at UNC. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
Why would you want to fire Rudy after next season if we don't make the playoffs? I guess you mean if we get Chris Webber and we don't make the playoffs fire Rudy, right?
I was just joking w/ heypartner. I admire Battier a great deal... and the point is is that he's a great player under Coach K. I would hope that we could expect the same under Rudy. ------------------ (===)
Heyp-Duke has average talent??? Now, I know that there is no way you have followed college basketball recruiting the last 5 years... Battier was the national player of the year his Sr. year... All the schools wanted him... I would say that is talent... ------------------ "Awesome baby!" Dick Vitale
kidrock, you are right,,,i don't follow college ball anymore. But, Steve Alford was a 1st team all-american under Bobby Knight. College awards mean nothing. And Indiana and Duke, historically, do not have great talent relative to the college accolades of their players. Their players get open and hit shots, skill or not. That is a fact.
I think that the trend being observed here is universally true. I can only think of 2 first tier UNC players (MJ and VC) with Worthy and Jamison fitting a second tier. Others come behind, including our own Kenny Smith. Duke only brings one player (GHill) to the first tier level. Elton Brand may yet get there, while Magette, Laettner probably belong on a third. Hell, Maryland probably would compare favorably in their NBA contribution. Doesn't it really boil down to the pro game being so vastly different from the college game that success levels don't necessarily translate? Can anyone think of a "sleeper" university which has disproportionately been a pipeline for future NBA players? ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com
Would San Jac count?? Casell and Franchise... ------------------ OK heypartner..are ya happy now?? I'm no longer "living in the past"
Don't forget Walter Berry. Didn't he go to San Jac, too. I didn't know Francis went there... ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com
How many great high school and college players can you name that really didn't do much in the NBA in comparison to their college/high school years? I can think of several... ------------------ "We need a chicken butt." -- heypartner is moving swiftly to help make the CC.net BBS more efficient and run faster. RAM was the first step, apparently this is the second!
I think you are leaving out several NC stars....starting with Rasheed Wallace and Bob McAdoo. They are 1st tier in my book. What about Stackhouse? How about Sam Perkins for 2nd tier. And Jeff McInnis sure schooled us in that last Clipper's game, to place him ahead of Cherokee Parks..lol. Brad Daugherty sure needs mention if you are going to mention Laettner, so does Rick Fox. Mitch Kupchak. Yeah...Dean Smith and John Wooden had superior talent to Coach K and Bobby Knight. It really is amazing how few NBA stars came from Indiana versus how many times they were drafted in the Top 15 picks. Another School with a lot of talent...does Michigan count?
a scouting report on Battier has nothing to do with past Duke players, Coach K, Indiana basketball, and Bob Knights' "genius" -- Battier is a special defensive player, a natural leader, and a capable 3-pt shooter. It is ridiculous to judge him based on Duke history......... "average talent"? huh? right... ------------------
kissadeath, If Battier is all you say he is, he won't be available with our pick. Remember, each draft on average only produces 1.5 superstars and about 5 career NBA starters (ie stars). When I say "average talent", I mean average talent relative to the skills it takes to be an NBA starter. North Carolina, Georgetown...UCLA...those are the teams with the real talent! As for questioning Bobby Knights genius, do you know the man invented modern Motion Offense in 1971, immediatley after the NCAA started allowing screens. It took him, what?, 4-5 years to produce an undefeated team...the last undefeated team, who did not produce an NBA star, unless you consider Quinn Buckner (a defensive specialist) to be IT. What is really amazing about Bobby Knight is that it is not enough to invent a paradigmatic offense, you must be able to teach it. More than anything else, he invented how to teach kids motion. And he taught Coach K how to do it. The rest is history.
If we have this lineup Cato Webber Battier Mobley Francis And we still don't make the playoffs then I say hell yeah Rudy's job should be in the air. That lineup should be nothing less than a 3rd seed. ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
I never said Battier would be available at our pick or if the Rockets should go for Battier even if he was available -- I think we need some help at the five before we need a three. I think Battier could be a productive NBA player, but never said he would be a starter in the league, much less a star -- only that his potential is just that HIS, and has nothing to do with Dukes' past and even less to do with Knight. I'm not even going to respond to the Knight stuff -- I didn't question his "genius" -- I think your discussion on Knight is interesting but what the hell does it have to do with Battier? I get the Coach K connection. Battier is well coached, fundamentally sound, and has had a storied college career. Other than that, his scouting report should deal with his physical qualiities, quickness, range as a shooter, and defensive capabilities. Will he be a starter in the NBA? Hell, I don't know -- i think Williams is closer to a sure-thing than Battier. ------------------
Not the biggest pipeline, but Temple has done quite well. also all of the big east schools produce goos NBA players(i think because they used to play with the 6 fouls rule) ------------------ Hanta-Force Paintball www.hanta-force.com
