Batman, can you walk the walk?

I would never attempt to answer for the formidable Batman, but what you received seems largely if not entirely true.

What is so wrong about criticizing or saying true things about McCain and the Iraq War debacle?

 

Please clearly explain what Obama has to do with this attack and why it is "disconcerting".

 

Are we talking about Grandpa McCain? Oh yes I did!

The candidate loved by neonazis, because, as they say, "even his hair is white!"

Naw for real, they do love him. I have a chain email to prove it.


Those were ironic rhetorical devices for your reading pleasure.

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edit: so sorry, I should really contribute something of more direct relevance to this thread. So, indeed, Batman, do you walk these walks?

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It depends on what you mean by negative campaigning. I will disavow dishonest campaigning, yes. I won't disavow anything critical, one way or another, if it's true.

If I had the time right now, I'd read through the three pages you linked and let you know if I agreed with your suggestion that Obama's been dishonest here. Wait a minute. No I wouldn't. I've wasted far too much time reading articles you linked to before (and far too much too reading the articles you tried to pass off here as your own).

Regardless, I don't have the time now as I just got home from rehearsal and have to be back for tech in the morning, where I'll be all weekend.

But if you'll excerpt the parts you think demonstrate dishonesty from Obama, I'll look at those when I have time. And if I agree that he's been dishonest of course I'll disavow it.

 

I don't see how any of that is different than any excerpt of any conservative radio talk show any day of any month of the year in fact it's quite a bit milder. Just this week I've heard Obama belongs to a racist church, he's a Muslim supported by radical Islamists, he won't do the pledge of allegiance, and oh yeah his middle name is Hussein... fear the middle name!!! What a disgusting machine you conservatives have set up in this country to spew hate and misinformation 24/7 over the public airwaves.

 

Batman holds his beliefs strongly. Therefore, he tends to blast those who disagree. That is called human nature. It doesn't make Batman a bad guy. It makes Batman a guy you disagree with.

And basso, it is laughable that you started this thread. As I recall, you make snyde remarks about Dems. I believe some of these may be yours:
1. libpigs
2. Hussein Ubama
3. Hillaroid

Some of these may be bigtexxx or T_J's. But hell, it's hard to tell you guys apart these days.

And to think that I share a political party with you guys. Ugh.

 

While basso generates his own controversies, I associate all those "names" with bigtexx and T_J and not basso.

I will also add that few people on this board are as dismissive and hostile as Batman-- it wasn't always that way either.

 

He has enjoyed things like "Balack," however.

I dunno. basso really confuses me, and I keep finding myself sympatizing with him. (I guess it's the bleeding heart libpig in me )

Where some people are just having fun here as agitators (perhaps even parody artists) and voting their wallet, I have always thought basso was sincere in his beliefs and that he does really care about the larger issues and the larger impact of all things policy. Since he's raising a child in NYC, I have often wondered if 9/11 really did change everything for him, politically.

Sorry to post of you in the 3rd person, basso.

 

Your first link is to a Moveon site that is apparently reposting a VoteVets.org piece. Your rebuttal link is from FactCheck.org that looks at a "proposed" attack by the DNC on John McCain. They're two different things. For instance, the first says this:

The second says this:

Two different things.

Furthermore, I take issue with the Factcheck part. Read McCain's statement again:

McCain, Jan. 3: Make it a hundred. ... We’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That would be fine with me, as long as American, as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. It’s fine with me and I hope it would be fine with you if we maintained a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day.

It's almost as if FactCheck ignores the second half of his statement and thus the contradictions that are clearly evident. McCain is OK keeping soldiers there "as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed" but then in the very next sentence he qualifies it with the desire to maintain a presence "in a very volatile part of the world where al Qaeda is training, recruiting and equipping and motivating people every single day."

Now, if we're truly maintaining that presence in that kind of environment, what are the odds that Americans won't be harmed or killed? Negligible, I'd say.

But even that's a bad statement, because we know the majority of the violence is not coming from Al Q. So in this one paragraph, he's trying to have his cake and eat it too... keep soldiers there in a dangerous environment but still wave the fear flag of Al Q for the benefit of domestic politics. In short, another weak justification of a stupid war.

It's a nonsensical statement to the reality based people which unfortunately makes it clear that in the language of the last 8 years he's saying as long as he's President, we're staying in Iraq regardless.

FactCheck does have this habit of taking only parts of a statement or taking words in their most literal sense.

 

Hee heee heee.

When basso plays the special martyr touched by 9-11, possessive of a unique set of knowledge, it's about as sincere as Rudy Giuliani, hero to all firemen everywhere and beloved by NYC.

Oh, don't divulge the basis for your special posting characteristics. It would make you seem cheap. I prefer you as the mysterious shill as opposed to shattering my illusions.

 

How about his total glossing over of his Rezko real estate sweetheart deal when called out by Hillary during the debate? He was not honest regarding how Rezko's wife paid a high price for a barren piece of land adjoining his lot, so that Obama could get the deal... with all the subsequent donations from Rezko, and kickbacks from Obama... graft at its finest.

I also don't think Obama has been forthright about his Muslim/Atheist past nor has he come clean on his drug use or his stance on slave reparations.

 

I do understand your misgivings on that account, given the anonymity+audience syndrome in this medium. And share your love of NYC.

 

I have to agree on his drug use. MSNBC did this absolutely SHOCKING expose on how Obama's college friends say he might have used less drugs than he claimed. Apparently, their theory is that when he was basically a nobody and hadn't yet run for any public office, he spent 1 page of a 440 page memoir possibly, maybe, sorta kinda exaggerating his drug use, but found no solid evidence either way.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23080205/


Friends: Drugs a bit part in Obama’s young life

Old acquaintances remember Democratic hopeful as a model of moderation

Nearly three decades ago, Barack Obama stood out on the small campus of Occidental College in Los Angeles for his eloquence, intellect and activism against apartheid in South Africa. But Mr. Obama, then known as Barry, also joined in the party scene.

Years later in his 1995 memoir, he mentioned smoking “reefer” in “the dorm room of some brother” and talked about “getting high.” Before Occidental, he indulged in mar1juana, alcohol and sometimes cocaine as a high school student in Hawaii, according to the book. He made “some bad decisions” as a teenager involving drugs and drinking, Senator Obama, now a presidential candidate, told high school students in New Hampshire last November.

Mr. Obama’s admissions are rare for a politician (his book, “Dreams From My Father,” was written before he ran for office.) They briefly became a campaign issue in December when an adviser to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Mr. Obama’s chief Democratic rival, suggested that his history with drugs would make him vulnerable to Republican attacks if he became his party’s nominee.

Mr. Obama, of Illinois, has never quantified his illicit drug use or provided many details. He wrote about his two years at Occidental, a predominantly white liberal arts college, as a gradual but profound awakening from a slumber of indifference that gave rise to his activism there and his fears that drugs could lead him to addiction or apathy, as they had for many other black men.

Mr. Obama’s account of his younger self and drugs, though, significantly differs from the recollections of others who do not recall his drug use. That could suggest he was so private about his usage that few people were aware of it, that the memories of those who knew him decades ago are fuzzy or rosier out of a desire to protect him, or that he added some writerly touches in his memoir to make the challenges he overcame seem more dramatic.

In more than three dozen interviews, friends, classmates and mentors from his high school and Occidental recalled Mr. Obama as being grounded, motivated and poised, someone who did not appear to be grappling with any drug problems and seemed to dabble only with mar1juana.

Vinai Thummalapally, a former California State University student who became friendly with Mr. Obama in college, remembered him as a model of moderation — jogging in the morning, playing pickup basketball at the gym, hitting the books and socializing.

“If someone passed him a joint, he would take a drag. We’d smoke or have one extra beer, but he would not even do as much as other people on campus,” recounted Mr. Thummalapally, an Obama fund-raiser. “He was not even close to being a party animal.”

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(It's long, so you can see the whole thing at the link)

 

This is coming from the same spanker who has tried to pull "Hey mc mark, you live in BROOKLYN, I, BASSO, live on THE UPPER WEST SIDE, therefore I AM IN THE CROSSHAIRS!" smack on posters before......yeah I am sure those terrorists are aiming to destroy Zabar's like yesterday....but now I guess you are too coy to go into details now? It is too bad, I guess a veteran downtowner (awww yeah) such as myself cannot pass this particular velvet rope no matter what story I can bring to the table or the proximity of my death defying encounter. It can't match ol' bassy basso watching the WTC fall....on television.

I am cowed by basso the big important stereo salesman on the UWS, and his unique understanding of the war on terror and his secret 9-11 ordeal.

I will tell you my own secret ordeal, which is not really a secret, as I think I've told it before, but I would seem like an ******* trying to pull some BS geographical rank - like you.

 

Sam, you are really crossing the line with that behavior. Really poor taste.

 

mmmmmm.......zabar's......i used to cab it all the way up from CPS just for their butternut squash soup

 

actually it's Queens

Astoria

Bohemian Garden