With all the contract negotiations I noticed that Baron was getting offered 5 years 65 million Gilbert was getting offered 6 years 120 million So really now what makes Gilbert Arenas worth 60 Million more than Baron Davis? Davis granted is a little older at 29 and Arenas is 25 but both still very young. I say you cant go wrong with either player but Gilbert's contract is ridiculous!
Injury. If BD was 25 he'd get the same as Gilbert. I also read somewhere that the Warriors were happy BD opted out. I don't understand this. Because of their age and because I have a hunch BD's knees will give out soon, Gilbert is the better option. But he isn't worth $55 million more than BD even if he is only 25. Let's wait and see what his real contract with the Wizards becomes. $20 million sounds too high.
It sounds to me Davis took an under-market-value deal because he wanted to play in LA with Brand. I think Arenas is profiting from desperation. I am skeptical that GS wanted Davis to opt out. They're crazy if they think Arenas is a better player than Baron Davis.
Can someone explain how Gilbert's 20 million salary effects the cap? Are they only being charged a lesser X amount of dollars per year since he's played there?
No, they're simply allowed to ignore the salary cap to sign their own player, if they have Bird Rights (which they do). So, assume the cap is $50. They have $60 in salaries already. They give Arenas $20, so now they are at $80; the cap had no effect. Then, they want to sign Maggette too -- they don't have Bird Rights so there is no cap space. They must use an exception (MLE or LLE or minimum) to sign him.
Arenas is overpriced. He is getting franchise player money, but he is not a franchise player. If Arenas is your best player, you are not gonna go very far. That contract will make them stuck in mediocrity for the duration of the contract, unless they are able to trade him away down the road.
Baron wanted to come to LA he has a lot of business ventures in the movie industry out here. playing in LA he has the opportunity to focus more time on that as well. He has a studio/production company with cash warren (that lucky punk who boinked jessica alba)
Maybe the Warriors felt that they missed the Playoffs because BD didn't step forward and lead them there. Iverson, Nuggets Win Playoff Showdown Over Warriors (April 2008) OAKLAND, Calif., April 10 (AP) -- Allen Iverson squared up, hit a 3-pointer and raised his arms to the air, having thwarted Golden State's final charge. There was no downplaying the importance of this win that put the Denver Nuggets in control of the race for the final playoff spot in the Western Conference. Iverson scored 33 points, J.R. Smith added 24 off the bench and the Nuggets overcame a 16-point deficit in the first quarter to win their playoff showdown with the Warriors 114-105 Thursday night. "Everybody knew what was at stake,'' Iverson said. "It's easy for players to say it's just another game. But everybody knows it wasn't just another game. It was a game that both teams felt they had to have.'' The win moved Denver (48-31) a full game ahead of the Warriors in the race for eighth place in the West with only three games remaining. The Nuggets also control the tiebreaker, meaning they can clinch their fifth straight playoff berth by winning two of their final three games. Golden State (47-32) probably will need to win its final three games and hope Denver loses twice. "They're in the catbird seat right now,'' Warriors coach Don Nelson said. "We've got a big problem as far as making the playoffs at this particular time. We're going to need a lot of luck and probably have to win out.'' The Nuggets erased the early deficit by scoring 19 straight points in the second quarter and built the lead up from there, putting the back-to-back losses to Sacramento and Seattle from last weekend behind them. "It was a must win for us. We came up with that attitude,'' said Anthony, who had 25 points, including a 3-pointer that made it 104-90 with 7:52 to go. "It was 'win or go home' in our minds.'' The lead grew to 17 before the Warriors mounted one last run, scoring nine straight points to cut it to 107-99 on Kelenna Azubuike's 3-pointer with just over 4 minutes remaining. Golden State had two chances to cut into the lead more before Iverson's jumper got the lead back to 10. Iverson then hit the 3-pointer that made it 112-101 with 2:06 to go, icing the most important game of the season. "AI likes to take that 3, that dagger 3,'' coach George Karl said. "We were kind of caught in the quandary of should we try to score or run clock. That 3 ended the quandary. It got us over that hump where we didn't have to be scared to death of them making that 3.'' Both teams talked about how this game had a playoff feel to it. The yellow "We Believe'' placards that were prevalent during the Warriors' playoff run a year ago were taped to each seat. But the Warriors have not been playing with the same energy down the stretch this season as they did during their memorable playoff run a year ago. They have lost nine of the past 16 games in a lackluster finish to their best season in 14 years. Golden State committed an uncharacteristically high 18 turnovers, missed nine of 24 free throws and got poor shooting nights from Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis. Davis had a triple-double with 20 points, 11 assists and 10 rebounds, but shot only 9-for-25. Jackson had 18 points on 5-for-17 shooting. Monta Ellis led the way with 29 points and Al Harrington added 20. "We've got a job to do, we've still got games,'' Jackson said. "We can't sit and dwell on this game because we lost. Definitely, everybody's upset, but at the same time we can't do anything about it. We've got to get ready to play the next game.'' The notoriously slow-starting Warriors had their best opening quarter in months, taking a 37-22 lead after one for their best start since leading Cleveland by 16 after one back on Dec. 23. That advantage was quickly erased when the Iverson and Smith found their stroke and the Warriors struggled against Denver's zone early in the second. "All I know is zones change offenses,'' Karl said. "When teams zone us, I'm not sure it works but it makes us play different. It makes us play in a way we aren't 100 percent comfortable.'' It had a similar effect on the Warriors, who missed their first eight shots of the quarter. Iverson had nine points and Smith scored eight in the big run that gave Denver a 43-38 lead. <hr> There was also a problem in the 2007 Playoffs. Warriors’ Nelson Fines Davis, Jackson (April 2007) OAKLAND, Calif., April 26 (AP)-- Though the Bay Area is abuzz with excitement for the Golden State Warriors' first home playoff game in 13 years, the Warriors are getting a few remedial lessons in keeping their cool. Warriors coach Don Nelson said Thursday he will fine Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson for being ejected from Golden State's 112-99 loss in Game 2 of the club's first-round playoff series against the Dallas Mavericks. Davis and Jackson put on a taunting, preening display that dampened an otherwise successful trip for the eighth-seeded Warriors, who stole Game 1 from the heavily favored Mavs and headed back to the West Coast with homecourt advantage in the series, starting with Game 3 on Friday night. "It doesn't make any sense to me, as hard as we worked to get to the playoffs, to all of a sudden get there and not be able to play because of ejections and not controlling our emotions,'' Nelson said before a brief workout at the Warriors' downtown training complex. "I want to play with passion. I want to play with emotions, (but) have respect for authority out there. The referees are the authority, and just like when I make a decision, I expect the respect to be there for me. ... Things don't always go your way, and you've got to control your emotions.'' The NBA hasn't announced any potential discipline against Davis, who apparently was thrown out for sarcastically applauding the officials late in the third quarter, or Jackson, who left the court in a contentious, roundabout manner after getting his second technical foul in the final minutes. But on what should have been a celebratory day before hoops-crazy Oakland's first taste of the postseason since 1994, Davis and Jackson spent the day avoiding direct comment on a dressing-down from their veteran coach. Nelson didn't announce the amount of his fines, only saying, "it will be substantial.'' Neither player betrayed any particular anger about the fines - perhaps a testament to Nelson's control of the club in his first season back in town. The Warriors spoke mostly about improving their defense and harnessing the energy of their sellout crowd Friday night after splitting the first two games. "That's in the past,'' said Davis, who had just 13 points Wednesday night after scoring 33 in the series opener. "I'm not even going to talk about that, not even a little bit. It doesn't have even a little relevance.'' Davis kept clapping for the officials while standing at the bench, even when Nelson asked him to stop. Davis defended his clapping a bit, saying, "I was stopping.'' Jackson still could face a suspension for the very definition of failing to leave the court in a timely manner. He took time to shout at officials and spar with fans on the long walk back to the locker room, but the swingman was cool again Thursday. "I love basketball,'' Jackson said. "I'm going to continue to play with a lot of emotion. Obviously, I've got to police myself. It's obvious, and I will continue to do that, but my passion for the game will never change.'' ...... <hr> Davis had his chances to show his worth to the Warriors. Between injury concerns and past actions, he had diminished bargaining power. Arenas is getting the benefit of the doubt on what he can do for the Warriors.
I m surprised no one posted this one yet! I m not big fan of Gilbert but big props to him for accepting lesser money to help his own team! http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...vLYF?slug=ap-wizards-arenas&prov=ap&type=lgns Reports: Arenas agrees to $111M deal with Wizards By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer 7 minutes ago * Buzz Up * Print WASHINGTON (AP)—Gilbert Arenas is accepting less money from the Washington Wizards, invoking an attitude far, far removed from the world of his working-class fans. “What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can’t do with $111 million?” he told The Washington Post. The unpredictable three-time All-Star point guard, in vintage Agent Zero fashion, told the Post and the Washington Times on Thursday that he has agreed to re-sign for $111 million over six years, considerably less than the maximum deal he said the Wizards offered him when the free agency period began on Tuesday. Arenas negotiated the deal from China, where is traveling as part of promotional tour for a shoe company, and did so without an agent. “I’m basically giving back $16 million,” Arenas told the Washington Times. “This is in line with what I’ve been saying the whole time. You see players take max deals and they financially bind their teams. I don’t wanna be one of those players and three years down the road your team is strapped and can’t do anything about it.” Arenas became a free agent after opting out of the final year of his six-year, $65 million contract at the end of last season. He initially said he was opting out to receive a max contract, but he later indicated he would be flexible in negotiations. Arenas also said that he would not re-sign unless the team retained two-time All-Star forward Antawn Jamison. The Wizards lived up to that part of the bargain Monday by giving Jamison a four-year, $50 million deal. Arenas has proven to be one of the most dynamic players in the NBA when healthy, but a major knee and an overzealous rehabilitation sidelined him for most of the last season. He had a first surgery on the knee in April 2007, tried to come back too soon and had a second operation in November. He missed 66 games before returning late in the season, but he had to shut himself down again during the first-round playoff series against Cleveland. Arenas has vowed to be more cautious about his rehab this time, and the state of his knee didn’t appear to devalue his worth in talks with the Wizards. The Wizards cannot comment on talks with Arenas or announce the deal until a league-mandated moratorium expires next week. Arenas has averaged 22.8 points, 5.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds in his seven-season NBA career. He was known as much for his tantrums as for on-court play when he came to Washington from Golden State in 2003, but he began to display more maturity as he developed into a take-over-the-game player with a knack for hitting buzzer-beating shots. Although he still has his many quirks— yelling “Hibachi!” after making a big shot is just one of many—he has helped the Wizards became a playoff regular. Arenas’ deal means the Wizards will have room to sign other players— including free agent guard Roger Mason—and still remain under the league’s luxury tax. “It’s a relief,” Arenas told the Washington Times. “It was a burden at the same time. Your whole city is depending on you, wondering if you’re going to make the right decision. I’m a franchise player and sometimes franchise players need to make franchise decisions.”
Yeah that's not much of a difference since it only frees up on average 2.7 million a year. You can't get much of an impact player with that. though he is a franchise caliber player. How many clutch shots has he made? And by that logic, Tracy isn't a franchise player cause he hasn't gotten us far. Obviously that's not true for either Mac or Arenas. They are both franchise players.
If he is healthy, he can be a franchise player. He is not overpriced. R Lewis is overpriced. He should not worth more than $10 m a year.
actually, if I read this excerpt from Coons FAQ correctly, I think he is right. When I first read his post, I though the same thing, that it wasnt right, but I believe we are just mis-remembering....I know for a fact we covered this in past off-seasons around here.
Baron's developed a rep over his career of being temperamental, difficult to coach, a coin toss whether he's working to stay in shape at any given moment, and freezes out teammates he doesn't like. Arenas may be quirky, but he's considered a good teammate and is usually the most dedicated guy on the roster. Both are a gamble with injuries, but Baron moreso. If I had to give a max contract to one of them, it'd be Arenas for sure. Evan
Rockets2K In the example given by Larry Coon, he adds the MLE and Traded Player Exception to what is already committed to in salaries by the team. Code: 43.0 million Committed Salary 5.0 million MLE + 5.5 million Traded Player Exception --------- 53.5 million which puts them over the Salary Cap (49.5 million) by 4 million and that Activates the Exceptions. ElPigto stated: BTW, if they are under the cap by an amount bigger than the MLE, they don't have any exceptions. which makes no mention of using the Traded Player Exception in the summation process like the Larry Coon example did. So, his calculations would be: Code: 43.0 million Committed Salary + 5.0 million MLE ------ 48.0 million which puts them under the Salary Cap (49.5 million) by 1.5 million and that prevents the Exceptions from being Activated.
I feel exactly the same way. Arenas is good, but I don't think you can build your franchise around him.
