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B-Ho sucks up to evangelicals, blows off gays

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  1. basso

    basso Contributing Member

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    and they are NOT happy about it!

    [rquoter] Gay leaders furious with Obama
    By: Ben Smith and Nia-Malika Henderson
    December 18, 2008 11:53 AM EST

    Barack Obama’s choice of a prominent evangelical minister to deliver the invocation at his inauguration is a conciliatory gesture toward social conservatives who opposed him in November, but it is drawing fierce challenges from a gay rights movement that — in the wake of a gay marriage ban in California — is looking for a fight.

    Rick Warren, the senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California, opposes abortion rights but has taken more liberal stances on the government's role in fighting poverty, and backed away from other evangelicals’ staunch support for economic conservatism. But it’s his support for the California constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage that drew the most heated criticism from Democrats Wednesday.

    “Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans,” the president of Human Rights Campaign, Joe Solomonese, wrote to Obama Wednesday. “[W]e feel a deep level of disrespect when one of architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination.

    The rapid, angry reaction from a range of gay activists comes as the gay rights movement looks for an opportunity to flex its political muscle. Last summer gay groups complained, but were rebuffed by Obama, when an “ex-gay” singer led Obama’s rallies in South Carolina. And many were shocked last month when voters approved the California ban.

    “There is a lot of energy and there’s a lot of anger and I think people are wanting to direct it somewhere,” Solomonese told Politico.

    The selection of Warren to preside at the inauguration is not a surprise move, but it is a mirror image of President Bill Clinton’s early struggles with gay rights issues. Obama has worked, and at times succeeded, to bridge the gap between Democrats and evangelical Christians, who form a solid section of the Republican base.



    Obama opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposed the California constitutional amendment Warren backed. In selecting Warren, he is choosing to reach out to conservatives on a hot-button social issue, at the cost of antagonizing gay voters who overwhelmingly supported him.


    Clinton, by contrast, drew early praise from gay rights activists by pressing to allow openly gay soldiers to serve, only to retreat into the “don’t ask, don’t tell” compromise that pleased few.

    The reaction Wednesday in gay rights circles was universally negative.

    “It’s a huge mistake,” said California gay rights activist Rick Jacobs, who chairs the state’s Courage Campaign. “He’s really the wrong person to lead the president into office.

    “Can you imagine if he had a man of God doing the invocation who had deliberately said that Jews are not going to be saved and therefore should be excluded from what’s going on in America? People would be up in arms,” he said.

    The editor of the Washington Blade, Kevin Naff, called the choice “Obama’s first big mistake.”

    “His presence on the inauguration stand is a slap in the faces of the millions of GLBT voters who so enthusiastically supported him,” Naff wrote, referring to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people. “This tone-deafness to our concerns must not be tolerated. We have just endured eight years of endless assaults on our dignity and equality from a president beholden to bigoted conservative Christians. The election was supposed to have ended that era. It appears otherwise.”

    Other liberal groups chimed in.

    “Rick Warren gets plenty of attention through his books and media appearances. He doesn’t need or deserve this position of honor,” said the president of People for the American Way, Kathryn Kolbert, who described Warren as “someone who has in recent weeks actively promoted legalized discrimination and denigrated the lives and relationships of millions of Americans.”

    Warren’s spokeswoman did not respond to a message seeking comment, but he has tried to blend personal tolerance with doctrinal disapproval of homosexuality.

    “I have many gay friends. I’ve eaten dinner in gay homes. No church has probably done more for people with AIDS than Saddleback Church,” he said in a recent interview with BeliefNet.

    In the same interview, he compared the “redefiniton of a marrige” to include gay marriage to legitimizing incest, child abuse, and polygamy.

    Obama’s move may deepen some apparent distance between him among gays and lesbians, one of the very few core Democratic groups among whom his performance was worse than John Kerry’s in 2004. Exit polls suggested that John McCain won 27 percent of the gay vote in November, up four points from Bush’s 2004 tally — even as almost all other voters slid toward Obama.

    But despite the symbolism of picking Warren, Obama is likely to shift several substantive policy areas in directions that will please gay voters and their political leaders, including a pledge to end “don’t ask, don’t tell” in military service.

    And some gay activists were holding out hope that they would either persuade Obama to dump Warren or Warren to change his mind.

    “Rick Warren did a real disservice to gay families in California and across the country by casually supporting our continued exclusion from marriage,” said the founder of the pro-same sex marriage Freedom to Marry, Evan Wolfson. “I hope in the spirit of the new era that’s dawning, he will open his heart and speak to all Americans about inclusion and our country’s commitment to equality.”[/rquoter]
     
  2. Happy Mac

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    i absolutely agree with this. terrible choice.
     
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    He is the president of all people. Understand that... He doesnt have to agree 100% or 10% with a person (Rick Warren) or a group's (Gay's, Lesbians etc.) to bring them in and to speak with them. He understands this. The wingnuts dont understand this. And this is the reason why he will be a good president, because he will isten to all people. Not just those who agree with his ideology. Basso, you should try it sometime.
     
  4. pgabriel

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    He should have picked wright
     
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    Well every administration has to have its token evangelical nutjob to appease the crazies, so I suppose Warren is Obama's pick for the post.

    Be that as it may, it is a disappointing decision.
     
  6. Major

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    He's leading exactly how he promised he would - by being inclusive of all viewpoints. Basso, didn't you think he was a crazy-left socialist?

    The invocation is being given by Warren. The benediction is being given by a staunchly progressive, pro-gay-rights pastor.
     
  7. moestavern19

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    Good move by Obama to stand up to those uppity gays trying to push their special interest agenda on the country!

    Obama 1

    Gays 0 !!!!!!!!

    Rick Warren is going to rain down a hateful speech of gay-bashing that the world has never seen before! He will openly talk about he once saw a gay person in line at the 10 items or less line K-mart and purposely went to the longer non-10 items or less line just so he would not get infected by his gay cooties. He will make sure to mention how gays should not be allowed to be gay in public, and how he hopes he can raise children in America who will not be exposed to the gay virus.

    Rick Warren 1
    GAYS 0 !!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    I saw what you did there...
     
  9. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    I love how no matter what Obama does, basso gets to make another blog entry with a glib title.

    Scenario 1) B-Ho sucks up to evangelicals, blows off gays

    Scenario 2) B-Ho sucks up to gays, blows off evangelicals

    COUNTRY FIRST, AMIRITE?
     
  10. basso

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    so, i'm anti-american? nothing on obama's choice of warren?
     
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    Warren is a strong supporter of same sex marriage, and gay civil rights.
     
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    fascism = anti-americanism
     
  13. moestavern19

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    Its a political move, if he choses 2 libpig flower children pastors who were known by the last name "Starshine" in the late 1960s then he's already alienating the OGOPs.

    Give peace a chance y'all.

    Obama did the politically correct thing.

    GAYS CAN SUCK IT LONG BABY!

    OBAMA PUT THEM IN THEIR GAY PLACE!
     
  14. basso

    basso Contributing Member

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    really? well, maybe you meant to say "no one can accuse him of being homophobic."

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  15. basso

    basso Contributing Member

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    shouldn't that be suck it large?
     
  16. rockbox

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    So are you against this decision?
     
  17. basso

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    yes, i'm against invocations in general, those by gay-haters in particular.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Oh yes, he is. I can't really see videos from this computer, but it doesn't matter.

    Warren is at least a strong supporter of gay rights as someone who doesn't see the difference between a politician that supports a constitutional ban on gay marriage, and a politician that opposes such a ban.
     
  19. basso

    basso Contributing Member

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    now you're just being incoherent.
     
  20. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    No, you're just a tool.

    And you, of ALL people on this board, have NO high ground when it comes to calling people out posts lacking content or commentary.
     

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