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Aussies told to not go to China at all....... should Yao be there???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by SmeggySmeg, May 1, 2003.

  1. SmeggySmeg

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    got this email today from my employer

    Colleagues

    As you know, UniSA International continues to monitor travel safety in relation to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS). Our primary concern is the safety of staff and student members of the university community.

    I remind you that the University will support the decision of individual members not to travel at present to areas that have been affected by the SARS outbreak and that alternative means for delivery of face-to-face teaching have been put in place.

    You are advised that as of Thursday 1st May:
    Travel to all parts of China including Hong Kong is banned. This extends the travel ban to all provinces of China.This ban will be reviewed on the 1st of June 2003.

    Travel to Toronto, Singapore, and Taipei is restricted. Travel to these locations must be sanctioned by the relevant cost centre manger and forwarded to the PVC Research and International for approval. These restrictions will be reviewed on Monday 19th May 2003. However, transiting through these countries is permitted, as advice is that the risk of contracting SARS through transit is extremely low.

    Given the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade's revision of 'non essentail travel' status for Vietnam travel to this country may resume without the approval of the PVC Research and International.

    The above position is based on updated advice from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT), and The Commonwealth Department of Health and Ageing, the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the (American) National Centre for Infectious Diseases (CDC). More detailed references to the University's travel procedures and updated warnings can be found at: http://www.unisa.edu.au/inr/internationalsituationOct2002.htm.
     
  2. Deckard

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    Wow. This is really getting bad.
    Yao should be in Texas.

    Or he could train in Australia for awhile, bring his girlfriend.
    You could put them up and the Rocks could send some people there. That's the ticket!

    On a serious note, is Australia restricting travel from places like China and Hong Kong, where SARS is really getting hard to contain? Or is what your university doing unusual. I wish Yao would come back to the States. If things get closer to normal in his country, he could always return and play for the National Team. I don't think he needs much in the way of training with them, all things considered. A couple of weeks with the team is all that is needed, imo.
     
  3. SmeggySmeg

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    here is some more from the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs

    Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)

    This Bulletin is current for Thursday 01 May 2003 EST

    The World Health Organisation (WHO) has issued an alert regarding a contagious form of respiratory illness known as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

    Advice on SARS, including the main symptoms and the areas affected thus far, has been issued by the WHO at http://www.who.int and the Australian Department of Health and Ageing at http://www.health.gov.au

    Cases of SARS have been reported in a number of countries in Asia, Europe and North America. Areas most affected are Singapore, China (particularly Beijing Municipality, Guangdong Province, Shanxi Province and Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region), Hong Kong SAR and Toronto in Canada. On 28 April 2003 the World Health Organisation (WHO) advised that Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in Vietnam had been contained.

    The Commonwealth Department of Health and Ageing has advised that the risk of contracting SARS is low. The vast majority of cases have been contracted through close personal contact with a seriously ill person, almost exclusively in hospitals and between family members. There is a smaller risk of contracting SARS through other means. Nevertheless, it is prudent to take precautions to minimise the probability of infections from more casual contacts (see section on Precautionary Measures below).

    Persons arriving in Australia with symptoms suggestive of SARS will be referred by airline and border authorities to be examined by health authorities. If the diagnosis of SARS cannot be excluded at the port of entry, the symptomatic person will be referred for specialist diagnosis and treatment, and precautions taken to prevent the possible spread of infection to others.

    In view of these circumstances the Commonwealth Department of Health and Ageing strongly recommends that Australians consider deferring, until further notice, non-essential travel to China (particularly Beijing Municipality, Guangdong Province, Shanxi Province and Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region), Hong Kong SAR, Singapore and Toronto in Canada. Australians resident in countries where local transmission of SARS has been reported, and who have chronic illnesses, should seek medical advice about any need for extra precautions.

    Australians in transit at airports in these countries are at very low risk of exposure to SARS. Nevertheless, it would be prudent, while in transit, to avoid close contact with persons who are unwell. If contact cannot be avoided, particularly with persons who are coughing, a simple surgical face-mask and regular hand washing will offer added protection.

    Persons planning to visit or transit these countries, should be aware that as a result of screening arrangements recommended by the WHO, individuals who show symptoms of SARS may not be allowed to depart immediately. It is possible that other countries and airlines may follow the WHO recommendations and begin screening flights for SARS cases.

    We are aware that some Australians who have transited SARS affected countries have experienced problems with further travel arrangements in other countries, such as refusal of access to pre-booked organised tours. Australians who are transiting SARS-affected countries should check with tour operators to ensure they comply with relevant conditions.

    The Department of Health and Ageing has established a SARS hotline - 1800-004599. All further SARS related inquiries should be directed to this number.

    SYMPTOMS

    All travellers should be aware of the main symptoms and signs of SARS which include:

    A person presenting after 1 February 2003 with history of:
    - high fever (>38° C)
    AND
    - one or more respiratory symptoms including cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing
    AND one or more of the following:
    - close contact*, within 10 days of onset of symptoms, with a person who has been diagnosed with SARS
    - history of travel, within 10 days of onset of symptoms, to an area in which there are reported foci of transmission of SARS.

    *Close contact means having cared for, having lived with, or having had direct contact with respiratory secretions and body fluids of a person with SARS.

    Australians experiencing symptoms consistent with the information provided by the WHO should seek medical attention. In Australia, individuals should contact the Department of Health and Ageing on 1800-004599. The WHO further advised that anyone who develops these symptoms should ensure that information about their recent travel is passed on to the health care staff and should not undertake further travel until they have recovered.

    PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES

    Some simple measures can be taken to reduce personal risk in locations where SARS has occurred. These revolve around minimising exposure to potentially exposed persons and using personal hygiene measures and personal protective measures. The actions listed below are not designed to be prescriptive but merely to give advice to people on the potential areas where precautions can be taken.

    Avoiding interactions with people who are exhibiting symptoms is important for example by standing well clear of people that are coughing. Where possible crowded and confined situations should be avoided. Try to use stairs rather than elevators and private rather than public transport. Minimise the amount of time spent in shopping centres and public areas.

    The wearing of basic surgical masks will provide some protection although people should not be given a false sense of security by using these alone without taking additional precautions. Masks should be changed when they become moist.

    Basic hygiene is essential in reducing the risk of virus transmission. Washing hands before eating is essential. Avoiding facial and eye contact with hands, as much as is possible, is also recommended. Smokers should wash their hands before smoking as contaminants on the hand are easily transferred to the mouth whilst smoking. Do not touch disposed tissues or handkerchiefs as these may carry secretions with infected material.

    http://www.dfat.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/TravelBulletins/Severe_Acute_Respiratory_Syndrome
     
  4. Rockets10

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    i was thinking the same thing myself. yao should not be there, but at least he is in shanghai rather than beijing where the worst of the outbreak appears to be. :confused:
     
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    i'm curious what is the mortality rate of this disease compared to the flu....SARS is so overhyped.
     
  6. tolne57

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    Unfortunately the WHO just put Shanghi on the official list of "do not visit cities" due to sars.

    However, Yao should be fine. I am sure there are people watching him like a hawk to make sure that he ok.
     
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    It appears that WHO should replace the United Nations. People actually believes and obeys to WHO.
     
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    SARS has killed more than 2000 people in China -- still think it's overhyped?
     
  9. Yun

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    According to WHO official website:

    http://www.who.int/csr/sarsarchive/2003_04_30/en/

    China has, to date, total 3460 cases and 166 death, not 2000.

    The mortality rate is about 3%.

    Also Shanghai has not yet on the travel banning list by WHO according to its official website.

     
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    This is the update for affected area on 04/30/03

    http://www.who.int/csr/sarsareas/2003_04_30/en/


    I recommend people who are interested in the situation to visit WHO official website.
    They are updating the situation almost everyday. :)
     
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    you idiot. not over 2000, but fewer than 200.
    Yes, it is overhyped. Fatality rate for SARS is about 6%-8%, compared with almost 100% for AIDS.
    Is is overhyped, consiering the flu early last century killed 20 million people wordwide.
    The media tend to overhype everything now.
     
  12. BmwM3

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    Exactly, just like the west nile virus.
     
  13. wizkid83

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    Still don't see Shanghai.

    Those of you who said Shanghai was on the list, maybe u mistaken it for Shanxi?

    Anyways 159 death out of a populaton of 1.3 billion isn't really that high. There really is a greater chance of hitting by car in the U.S. Look below to prove this hypothesis.


    From caraccidents.com estimated 41,000 ppl die/ year due to car accidents. Out of a population of 280,000,000 (from cia.gov world fact book) that's .0014% of the population per year. Divide that by 356 days/ year that's .0000004% chance you are going to die from car accidents at any given day day.

    Now lets assume SARs spread through China for about a month,
    159 in a country of 1.3 billion, that's .000000122% per month. divide that number by 30 days/ month we get .000000004% chance you are gonna die in China due to SARS on any give day. In reality SARS has been around a tad longer than a month so we can assume the percantage to be even lower.

    So we see that you are 100 times more likely to die from car accidents in the US than to die from SARS in China. Class is now dismissed.

    In reality I would worried a lot more about being mugged, ripped off, coned in China than from SARS, just my 2 cents.
     
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    Yup that's what I did. My bad, sorry for the confusion.

    The problem is that you are forgetting the number of people infected and the rate of infection. 159 out of 1.3 billion is extremely low, but remember that is out of only 3460 confirmed cases. As more people get infected, not only with the death rate increase, but the faster SARS will likely to spread.


    From an article in Time magazine:
    "But if SARS continues to spread, its numbers could skyrocket. Its overall death rate of about 6% is far lower than that of AIDS, Ebola or malaria, but if enough people catch the illness, even a low rate could cause a catastrophe. The Spanish flu epidemic of 1918-19 had a death rate of less than 3%, but so many people became infected that it killed more than 20 million people in just 18 months."

    That being said, SARS is currently overhyped. But when it comes to things like diseases, it's better to overhype and make people aware than to try and control it after it's too late.
     
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    Like most diseases, SARS seems to be combatable with early detection and treatment, as well as quarantine of the infected. With the awareness it's already gotten, people are a lot more aware and are probably taking notice of the symptoms faster and getting treatment faster. In my opionion the cases of SARS will only continue to go down instead of up. I guess we need another month or 2 to tell, but I think it's gonna pass pretty soon. Still the percentage that Yao will EVEN get INFECTED is .00000008%, still about 1/5 as likely as to DIE in the U.S. from car accidents. And I'm sure he'll get treatment at the earliest sign of infection.
     
  16. amysiu

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    Hey you guys:

    http://sports.tom.com/Archive/1019/1042/2003/5/1-74432.html

    This article says that Yao had wanted to go to visit SARS workers in Shanghai but the Shanghai City Sports Organization said "absolutely not." It also said that before Yao returned to Shanghai, the Chinese Sports Organization had ordered that any type of public appearances by Yao would need approval from them. He needs to eat clean foods, go to public places as little as possible - everything needs to be done to keep his physical well-being in mind.

    The Shanghai City Sports Organization said that Yao is essentially a "Chinese Treasure" and "needs to go to team training soon, nothing can go wrong during the next 20 days."
     
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    this confirms it. YAO's a DUMBA$$. visiting SARS workers on purpose. :cool: :D ;)
     
  18. olliez

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    spiral, if you have a problem with Yao, just jump over to Sun's board. Calling other people names shows your level of maturity.

    This is original report:

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    Translated verbatim:

    During the past few days, after Yao watched news of SARS on TV, he wanted to comfort those medical workers. This is a good idea but unfortunately unrealistic.

    To me this only shows Yao's a person with compassion.

    To amysiu: Please do not post half story where the meaning gets lost so completely and causes misunderstanding.
     
  19. amysiu

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    Oops, sorry :eek: This taught me to be more careful with my translations from now on.... but my main reason for posting was to let everyone know that the Chinese government sports organizations take Yao's wellbeing very seriously and I'm sure are taking care of him well so Yao fans, don't worry....
     
  20. Easy

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    Comparing SARS with AIDS is incorrect, because SARS is much more easily transmitted. You don't get AIDS by shaking hand with an AIDS patient. But you can get SARS by simply being in the same room with an infected person.

    Comparing SARS with ordinary flu is also incorrect, because SARS's mortality rate is much higher. It's true that flu killed more people. That's because almost everybody gets flu at least once each year. But the chances of dying from flu is extremely small. Compare that with even a very conservative 3% mortality rate for SARS, you'll see why people are so scared.

    That said, it is a bit overhyped by the media, and a lot of the fear is unfounded. But the policies for containing the virus by restricting traveling are necessary.



    And amysiu, we are not worried. We just want to find an excuse to keep Yao in the US to better prepare for the Rockets. :)
     
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