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Attention Seinfeld fans

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Behad, Jun 20, 2004.

  1. Behad

    Behad Member

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    The Pilot episode is coming on at 10pm on the WB39. The first episode ever.
     
  2. MR. MEOWGI

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    A girl Jerry met on the road wants to stay with him when she comes to New York. George thinks that she is just using Jerry as contingency plan. Hoffman (Kramer) comes by to borrow a couple of pieces of meat. The girl calls and asks Jerry if she can stay at his apartment for the night, when she arrives she asks to stay for another night. Jerry is disappointed when everything is going his way until he finds out she is engaged.

    Notes

    In this episode, Jerry refers to Kramer as Kessler, because we later learn in "The Betrayal" this was the name on the buzzer for Kramer's apartment. This also discounts the fact that Kramer has sublet the apartment from Paul Buchman from Mad About You in an episode of that series that aired after "The Virgin." I suppose that Buchman could have sublet the apartment to someone named Kessler before Kramer had moved in. As strange as Kramer can be, perhaps he thought it best to not let anyone know he lived there and never changed the name.
    In the first scene of this episode, Jerry comments George about the button on his shirt. He repeats this same comment in the last scene of the last episode! [Editor's Note: Yes, as I mention in the description of the final episode.]
    In this episode, the coffee shop Jerry and George go to is not Monk's. The exterior shot reads "Pete's".
    When this episode first aired, the series was known as "The Seinfeld Chronicles".
    Lee Garlington (Claire) was supposed to be part of the original cast, as the friendly waitress who gave advice to the boys about their daily lives (hence why she was in the opening credits, and not Pamela Brull, who played a bigger role in this episode) but was dropped because she was considered boring.
    In the TV Guide entry for this episode, his character is credited as Hoffman. I assume that this is the way it appeared in the script somewhere along the way. There were probably a number of name changes for this character, while Kenny Kramer was deciding whether or not his name could be used.
    In this episode, Kramer/Kessler's apartment door is not there. In its place is a picture. Also, Kramer/Kessler has a dog in this episode.
    Even in the pilot episode, there is a Superman reference. When Jerry sits down to watch TV, he is wearing a bright blue pair of sweatpants, and a bright red sweatshirt.
    Didn't Kramer/Kessler also knock on Jerry's door in this episode?
    Check out Jerry's apartment in this episode! It's WAY different then it is in the other episodes! The walls are yellow, the kitchen cabinets are brown and are EMPTY! In the other episodes, the walls and cabinets are blue and the cabinets are filled with kitchen stuff. Another thing I should point out is Jerry has NO bedroom! In this episode all we see is a living room and a bathroom. In the other shows, Jerry has a bedroom and that and the bathroom are connected by a hallway which was also not present in the first episode. (Brandon)
    The sweatpants are red and the sweatshirt is blue!
    In this episode, George advises Jerry that with women you should never go by your instincts, but always do the opposite. He admits not doing so himself, but later follows this tactic to perfection in "The Opposite."
    Jerry had a different apartment in this episode.
    Pamela Brull played a character named Dr. Costanza in an episode of "Just The Ten Of Us" in 1988.
    On the Superman outfit, George is scene in a later episode, Summer of George, loafing in red sweatpants and blue t-shirt/sweatshirt.
    Maybe Jerrys sweatpants are orange (not red) and has blue shirt on. Jerry is watching the Mets game (Mets colors are orange & blue) and there is a Mets poster on the wall behind the couch.


    Quotes

    George to Jerry: I can't believe you want to bring in an extra bed for a woman who wants to sleep with you. Why don't you bring in an extra guy too?!
    "You can't over die, you can't overdry!" Jerry to George in the laundromat.



    Goofs

    [fou_original] In the first scene, pay attention to Jerry's shirt. Albeit consistently unbuttoned, the top part of his shirt subtly opens and closes between takes.
    In this episode, Jerry states that Kramer hasn't been out of the building in ten years. How would Jerry know that? According to the episode "The Betrayal", Jerry has only lived in this apartment building for 11 years and if Kramer hasn't left the building in ten years (from the time this episode was made), that means Kramer has lived there much longer than Jerry has, and Jerry REALLY has no proof of Kramer not being out of the building in ten years. Kramer could have simply TOLD Jerry that, but in all factuality, Jerry cannot prove this. (Pierce15)
    Response to Kramer: Chances are Jerry was making a joke, but when Jerry actually make that comment, Kramer becomes a little uneasy, as if Jerry believes that it's true, but Kramer knows otherwise.
    As George and Jerry are carrying in the extra mattress for his guest, Jerry says that if his father was carrying the mattress, he'd have a cigarette in his mouth all the way up the stairs. In no other episode is there any indication that Jerry's father smokes, or ever smoked - in fact, the general impression the series presents is that neither [ of HIS PARENTS ] smoke.
    You are quite correct about the cigars. I don't know if I wrote it wrong or if it was added to this page wrong, what I meant was, "the general impression the series presents is that neither of HIS PARENTS smokes".
    This is in addition to the one about Kramer not being out of the building for 10 years. The Pilot aired in 1989. This means that Kramer supposedly has not left the building since 1979. However, in episode 34 - The Boyfriend (1), Newman and Kramer tell Jerry and Elaine about the time Keith Hernandez spit on them after a Mets/Phillies game. When, you ask? June 14th, 1987.
    Gimme a break, Jerry wasn't serious, he was just making a joke. GOD, you guys look way 2 deep in2 this.
    This is the 1st episode, we might as well count the way the apartment looked and everything else as goofs. They were just experimenting to get the feel right
    In fact Kramer smokes cigars on many episodes. Also Jerry and George join him in at least one episode.
    Jerry is a comedian, people. Of course Kramer has been out of the building within the last ten years. That is an obvious exaggeration on Jerry's part and by no means a goof. Kramer was actually named Hoffman in this episode, but it's just a pilot. Obviously changes are going to be made before the first full season starts. That's not a goof either.
    It was reported that this episode was the least/lowest watched (rating wise) episode in all of NBC's television history.
    At the start of the episode when the waitress is pouring the coffee Jerry gets caffeinated coffee as she pours it with the opposite hand than Georges. You know this because George flips out that there is no decaffeinated indicator on the coffee jar. Later on in the series, Elaine states how Jerry NEVER drinks caffeine and that he drinks some tea but doesn't know that it has caffeine in it. [ Editor's note: Remember this the pilot episode, often what appears in a series is way different than what is established in a pilot. ]
    In an early episode, George mentions that he has a brother. In later episodes, he mentions that he is an only child.
    In the scene before Jerry and George go to the airport to pick up Jerry's Guest, Jerry frets about the cleanliness of his bathroom. As they exit the apartment you can see what must be presumed to be Jerry's dog running out of the bathroom...a white labrador retriever.
    A note on the white lab, I don't think that's Jerry's dog because Kramer takes responsibility for it. When it goes into the bathroom, Kramer says, "Ah, he's getting a drink of water," as if it's his or he's watching it for somebody. Plus, Kramer is with the dog when it enters Jerry's apartment.
    When Jerry is finished getting his cereal and sets it down in front of the TV, he untucks his shirt. When e lifts up the shirt, you can see the microphone wire running up his chest.
    Correction to the microphone wire goof, that cannot be a microphone because if it was he would have a big thing in the back of his pants like they do on talk shows. They use boom mics that go above the actors in tv sitcoms.
     
  3. KaiSeR SoZe

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    damn I'm watching that movie on CH11, I don't know what to do!!:(

    Edit: What the hell?!! George has hair? ruins the whole concept of Seinfeld right there! anyways I've already seen this one but I didn't know it was the pilot
     
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  4. bigtexxx

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    Zoolander is on TBS right now.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

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    I've seen it a million times. I don't think it's (as) funny. The shows don't really get funny until the 3rd or 4th season.

    Besides....The Godfather is on Spike TV and I've only seen that 1,547 times. ;)
     
  6. Uprising

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    On TBS?

    I have some show with the guy from the Critic on right now. Some movie where he is a teacher, also has that hot chick from Waynes World.
     
  7. whag00

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    It’s amazing how these characters evolved to become what the became in the later episodes…But I don’t I laughed once during that episode.
     
  8. JPM0016

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    i hate most pilots, this one is no exception
     
  9. mrpaige

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    I'm with ya, though I do like the NewsRadio pilot.
     
  10. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    The pilot and the whole 1st season of Seinfeld really sucked, IMO. Definitely a show that got funnier, the longer it stayed on (well except for the last season where I found George and Jerry sometimes to be very annoying, mainly George though).
     
  11. codell

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    I completely agree.

    The first few seasons never did it for me and thats probably why I really didnt follow the show until it went into syndication.

    I think "The Airport" ("I can not express to you the feeling I get from a perfect airport pickup. ") in Season 4 was the first truly Seinfeldian episode. Very clever.
     
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    What season was the Bookman episode? It looks like a very early episode and usually I don't like those much. That one, however, is definitely a favorite.
     
  13. KaiSeR SoZe

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    wasn't that the super wedge one? CANT-STAND-YA
     
  14. ima_drummer2k

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    Season III, episode 22. That was right about when the show started to find it's niche.

    I think the show turned the corner when it started to develop and focus on the supporting cast instead of Jerry.
     
  15. SmeggySmeg

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    when was the chess match episode between brain and d1ck??? wasn't that in one of the early series, it's one of my favs

    here in australia the first few series were shown on ch9 at 11:30 at night, which i watched, Ch9 let it go they didn't think much of it

    Ch10 picked it up then probably around 3rd series and it boomed
     

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