Just a question I've been thinking about recently. I'm not saying we're at that point, but I'm definitely not saying that it's outside the realm of possibility. I've been saying for a little while that we have to give this team until the all-star break, and I think that's still true as far as it goes (but I don't know how far that is). I mean, the newcomers to the team still deserve a chance to prove themselves, and I think that Adelman is a good enough coach that guys are going to get their opportunities by that time. But for the guys who are here and who have been here, I'm tired of being so patient. I understand that with a new system and new teammates there are growing pains, but effort and basic basketball skills (like shooting a jumpshot) are things that I think should be assumed--but they haven't been. I LOVE what Morey did in the offseason. He shook things up--he was aggressive and tried to address some of the needs we have. It doesn't always pan out--and it may still pan out--but I love what he did and I hope to see more of it in future seasons. To answer my own question, I think the best time to blow it up is when you really can't figure out what the hell else to do with the team to "fix it." And I'm really running out of feasible ideas. I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing, Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication. I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down No fault, none to blame it doesnt mean I dont desire to Point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over. To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication. The poetry that comes from the squaring off between, And the circling is worth it. Finding beauty in the dissonance. There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away. Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting Ive done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion Between supposed lovers Between supposed lovers. And I know the pieces fit. Tool speaks to me about the Rockets.
To answer the question: Next summer. To most people, "blow up" means trading either Yao or Tracy, which means trading Tracy since Yao ain't goin' anywhere. As far as other players, nobody is safe at the moment. Anyone who might be wanted by another team could be traded at any time.
If by blow up you mean stop trying to STOP implement a gimmick offense, putting your most dominant player out of position, and failing to define roles for anybody... Then blow this mofo up NOW. James alone would have had us past the Jazz last year...
I've been pondering this as well. I've been a Rocket fan for over 20 years now. I've been there for every game I was capable of watching that entire time. This is the first season where I find myself just not even watching two and three games at a time. I can handle it when the Rockets are losing because they simply aren't good enough, but these guys seem to be losing because they just don't care about winning enough to put in the effort night in and night out. That I can't accept. As a fan, I'd rather see us rebuild than watch a top notch squad playing at a mediocre level. At least I'd have lottery picks to look forward to if we were rebuilding. That said, I don't think we can rebuild. We can't truly rebuild if we keep Yao, and Yao will NEVER be traded. Can you imagine how many solid young players and draft picks we could get if we traded Yao & McGrady? I'm sure our expiring and short term contracts like Wells, Sura, Francis and Snyder could be combined to take some undesirable contract + picks too. I don't know if it's time yet, but quite frankly, I'd be more excited by these possibilities than by watching our current pitiful squad.
Well said, man! I hate they are playing without heart. Lose by double digits night by night, but still smiling and laughing as if they are the winner.
It's been pain in the ass for some time to watch the Rox game , and I could not just afford to stop watching midway with that frustration ... Morey, bring us some hope ,or at least, something for feel happy for. like....trade t-mac when he is still capable of playing some caliber game or Yao, and bring in some fresh young & athletic blood.
Now. Look at what Portland has done, in a "relatively" short time. This organization is incapable of putting together the right supporting cast for TMac and Yao. So, give that plan up and go to plan B. Trade one or both, and go young and athletic. Losing with grit and determination is better than just losing. I would love to see some young guns shooting a high percentage. It has been sooooo loooooong.
Ive been on the trade machine and gone a little happy on it! So, before we split up Tracy and Yao, among the other trades that I have shown will work dollar wise and seem to be good trades for both or all teams involved, here is my latest block buster that contains a four team 20 player trade! This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over. New York Knicks Incoming Players James Posey Salary: $3,206,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 7.3 REB: 4.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 13.19 Alexander Johnson Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 2.2 REB: 1.0 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.00 Jason Williams Salary: $8,937,500 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 8.7 REB: 2.3 AST: 5.4 PER: 12.00 Kirk Snyder Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 15.18 Tony Allen Salary: $1,868,141 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 4.7 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.4 PER: 9.08 Mike James Salary: $5,826,893 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 7.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.8 PER: 11.21 Outgoing Players: Mardy Collins, Jared Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Eddy Curry The Knicks do this deal just to free up some money, even though they can afford not to. But they get rid of several multi-year contracts and end up with mostly 1 year contracts and a couple of 2 year contracts. The players they get in return are gonna help them run more to offer a better product to put on the floor. What they have now is not working no matter what, so getting some expiring contracts in along with some players that they can put on the floor to run with the ball also, gives them an opportunity to make some moves in the upcoming years. They are going no where this year no matter what. And long contracts have continued to be their biggest problem, along with coaching and management that are making those decisions. Boston Celtics Incoming Players Rafer Alston Salary: $4,550,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 9.3 REB: 3.2 AST: 5.0 PER: 11.97 Eddy Curry Salary: $8,947,543 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 13.7 REB: 5.0 AST: 0.6 PER: 15.29 Luther Head Salary: $1,122,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 5.9 REB: 1.6 AST: 1.4 PER: 12.52 Outgoing Players: Kendrick Perkins, James Posey, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Eddie House Boston will do this deal because while they lose some defense in Posey, although they are also losing their starting center, they are gaining Eddie Curry as their new starting center. They get Rafer to run their offense, whether they decide to start him or not over Rondo is anyone's guess. But off the bench to get it up the court and pass to their 3 stars unselfishly, who else would be better. Then they get Luther that will give them even more fire power off the bench at the one or two from 3 pt range. They become the favorites to win it all actually with this trade. Miami Heat Incoming Players Chuck Hayes Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 3.3 REB: 6.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.09 Shane Battier Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 8.3 REB: 4.6 AST: 1.5 PER: 9.99 Mardy Collins Salary: $967,320 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 1.5 REB: 1.3 AST: 1.1 PER: -0.16 Jared Jeffries Salary: $5,632,200 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 2.7 REB: 3.1 AST: 0.7 PER: 6.72 Quentin Richardson Salary: $8,105,500 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 7.3 REB: 5.9 AST: 1.6 PER: 7.25 Steve Novak Salary: $687,456 Years Remaining: 1 Outgoing Players: Alexander Johnson, Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem Miami does it because they need to do something. To me, they get the least out the deal, but they get rid of J. Williams' contract; they were gonna lose Ricky D. anyway, so they get something now for him; they were shopping Udonis anyway....and Johnson is no big deal to lose. In return, they get some strong defenders in Battier and Hayes. They get some 3 point shooting with Battier, Novak and Q. Richardson, who could return to form working with D. Wade and provide them what Ricky Davis doesn't. Im sure they can find some use for Marty Collins and Jared J. as well. Houston Rockets Incoming Players Kendrick Perkins Salary: $4,480,912 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 6.9 REB: 5.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.20 Ricky Davis Salary: $6,819,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 14.9 REB: 4.2 AST: 2.5 PER: 12.46 Brian Scalabrine Salary: $3,000,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 2.1 REB: 1.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 5.07 Eddie House Salary: $1,500,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 8.0 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.7 PER: 15.17 Udonis Haslem Salary: $6,050,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 13.1 REB: 9.4 AST: 1.5 PER: 13.58 Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Steve Novak, Kirk Snyder, Mike James, Luther Head The Rockets do it because we get a proven third scorer in Ricky Davis. Him and Tmac will make it more difficult on opposing teams than Tmac and Battier at that position. Also, we upgrade our four position with Udonis/Scola vs Hayes/Scola. Also, we get the higher percentage shooter in the PG position with House coming off the bench as a spark. We also get a legit back up center for Yao with Perkins who was starting for Boston. Scalabrine is a throw in and we use him if we can. New starting lineup: AB, Tmac, Ricky D, Haslem, Yao Bench: House, Francis, Bonzi, Scola, Perkins A much better team IMHO..and we keep Yao and Tmac together! Get on the phones Morey! Any comments?
He was huge playing behind Sura in JVG's system. I don't care about what players are doing in this system now, every single one of them looks like @#$% in it.
That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say in another thread JMW. I couldn't agree more.....We can't rebuild unless Yao's the one to go and since Yao isn't going anywhere, we might as well let the season play out and see if the system takes. I'm not sure I agree with Ziggy though that it's a gimmick offense or that we could have beat Utah with MJ last year. I don't think they have had enough time together to judge this offense or Adelman. Blastaway, I can't believe you're still allowed to post after the Calvin Murphy for coach comment earlier. I still think we can have Craig Roberts from Channel 2 for the right price.
studogg, unless you gonna give your reasons while Calvin Murphy would NOT be a great coach for this team, then you should replace Tmac's name in your signature with your own! Afterwards, you can get back to your job of cleaning Adelman's backside for him.
The problem with that answer is the assumption you're making. It took Stockton and Malone over a decade to make it to the finals. Do you think Utah should have decided to blow up and trade one of them for younger players who aren't a known commodity? There's no guarantee in sports. And there's no guarantee that starting over will bring you what you couldn't get by sticking with.... People had suggested trading Hakeem back in the later 80's. Thank goodness that didn't happen. It's been almost 10 years since Jordon left the Bulls. Are the Bulls anywhere near being a champion again? Portland hasn't been a contender this decade, that isn't likely to change. Usually - you want to make a blockbuster trade on a good team only when you can trade up. You trade for upgrades, not for prospects. Bad teams trade players for prospects. We aren't a bad team. The only time you talk about trading Yao or T_mac is when their performance truly starts to decline and it's clear that there is zero chance that you're in contention....then you trade them before they retire so you can get something for them. That's not the case here. T-mac and Yao are still hungry. We have a good team, a team that was the 4th seed last year and is not out of the running for a good seeding for this year. You stay pat. Only trade to improve the team, do not blow it up.
Simple. If we don't get to the second round (that includes not making the playoffs altogether). Bye Bye everybody!
You might be willing to take that gamble - but I guarantee you Rocket's management won't be. They'll just check out gate receipts during those losing seasons. As long as this team makes the playoffs, T-mac and Yao will be Rockets.
I ve been pondering this. Sometimes I could sit back and just watched the f*xking ugly games we were playing. On the other occasions, I just lost it. I guess I am just a ordinary guy with a heart of passion. I m wondering I might give more commitment to the games than our players do
