Dude did a stupid thing. Apologizes. Darvish accepts apology. MLB issues punishment. What else is there to discuss?
Agree. Could discuss what an awesome class act Darvish is. I really like him now. That was just really cool. Also, is this pulling the eyes a thing in Cuba? That was so weird. I feel like I haven't seen that one since kindergarten.
It's been discussed ad nauseum in the Stros forum. Just read this: http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-hernandez-20171027-story,amp.html
Punishment seems fair. There would have been appeals that would have taken longer than the World Series anyway. He was never going to miss a World Series game. I hope that Gurriel learned from this. I'm pretty sure he did. Yu Darvish has been a class act throughout this whole ordeal. We don't need to say more about it. Let's move on with the game!
They had to suspend him IMO because if they didn't they'd lose credibility the next time someone insults a group that is more prone to playing the victim and feigning outrage. I also like that they made it regular season games so that they can stay consistent with the punishment for this type of thing.
It's good that many fans did give him a sanding ovation when he stepped up to the plate for his first at bat. It's less good that his at bat ended in a GIDP
Of course, it does. The significance of Racism in those places is far different and less, though. There isn't the same brutal and oppressive history in those countries. They don't have the same horrific background regarding slavery, Jim Crow laws, denial of rights, etc. So while there is racism there, it isn't as hurtful. That is why you hope that people from there can learn about why it's so much more of a big deal here and grow from incidents like this.
Yeah, good call. Had happily forgotten that. Thanks for a good reminder, as opposed to straight up unnecessary, rude snark as per another poster, who, at long last, is now going onto ignore list. Life's too short for the acidic self-loathing of trolls.
What are you talking about? Are you really suggesting slavery only existed in America and never existed in Europe? Are you suggesting ethic cleansing is not as horrific as the racism we faced here? I know youre going to find a way to justify your words but the fact is there has been a lot of nasty stuff going on through out the world .. even in recent decades. You can cherry pick your countries to justify your words, but the US was not a well established country until the 20th century.
I've heard this argument many times before and I don't agree with it. Slavery has existed in many countries along with discrimination. Slavery existed in much of Latin America and there are still a lot of repercussions from it. I've heard from Brazilian friends that even though on the surface Brazil seems to have dealt with racism there still is a lot built into their society. At the same time Uruguay and Argentina have many issues with race. The global soccer community has wrestled with racism with many many racist incidents happening on and off the football pitch. The problem has gotten so bad that FIFA has an ongoing campaign to deal with racism in sport. In Asia I've heard a lot of racist language and societies like Japan have big problems with racism and bigotry towards other groups. In many ways I think the US has dealt better with racism and the response to Gurriel's relatively mild racist insult shows that. Compare that to incidents we see in other countries of fans throwing bananas at black soccer players on opposing teams or referring to them as "n^&&er" or the equivalent.
Here is a counter to Dylan Hernandez's column from some other Latin Americans. http://www.latinorebels.com/2017/10...h-is-latest-example-of-latin-american-racism/ Yuli Gurriel’s Gesture Towards Yu Darvish Is Latest Example of Latin American Racism In case you aren’t following the World Series, Houston Astros first baseman Yuli Gurriel, originally from Cuba, stepped into it when he mocked Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Yu Darvish, originally from Japan, by making a slanty eye gesture and apparently saying “chinito” after Gurriel homered off of Darvish during Friday’s Game 3. Gurriel kind of apologized when he said this: “I did not mean it to be offensive at any point. Quite the opposite. I have always had a lot of respect [for Japanese people]…. I’ve never had anything against Darvish. For me, he’s always been one of the best pitchers. I never had any luck against him. If I offended him, I apologize. It was not my intention.” And apparently, Darvish is cool with Gurriel’s words. And MLB is suspending Gurriel for next year. 5 games NEXT YEAR. Not at all during the Series. Nonetheless, what Gurriel did last night was the just the latest example of how we as Latin Americans continue to use racialized language and gestures and just excuse it as being “part of our culture.” Such is the view Los Angeles Times columnist Dylan Hernandez gave when he defended Gurriel in his latest piece. ... More at link
Slavery has existed in almost every nation. Racism is never okay. But in many nations after slavery ended there wasn't a century or more of Jim Crow laws, ongoing discrimination issues in the justice system, education, career advancement, etc. Each nation has their own issues. Racism isn't okay in any nation, but the history of racism does make a difference in the weight and baggage that are attached to racist insults, jokes, and gestures. Racism, wherever it exists, is a problem. But it doesn't always have the same significance and history as it does in the U.S.
I replied to this idea in other responses. So I don't want to repeat it. Ethnic cleansing is a great example. In Rwanda making discriminatory remarks against with Tutsi as the but of the joke or insult will have a different significance than making the same comment here in the United States. It isn't okay here in the U.S. but it wouldn't be as hurtful and have the same baggage and weight to it that it might in Rwanda.
It's not the same as the US but I don't think racism is less of a problem in other countries. Many other countries have had similar things to Jim Crow laws and even now in Latin America there are laws that treat indigineous people unfairly. Canada and Australia for much of their history discriminated against their indigineous populations. IN recent decades there have been many racial incidents and protests in the UK, France and other parts of Europe. That is one of the reasons why the Blacks Lives Matters movement also spread to the UK. The targets of Racism might be different in other countries and the amount of sensitivity particular to certain terms and gestures might be different but racism isn't unique to the US and in many situations worse in other countries.
Right. I think it depends on the racism. The example I made was that making a remark about Tutsis in the U.S. would be wrong and stupid. But it wouldn't be as significant as it would be if you made the remark in Rwanda. It would be much more significant and carry a lot of extra weight and meaning there.
When I was in Australia I remember having discussions with Aussies that were very similar to ones we have here regarding race. I heard from Australians decrying the racism that they see in their society but also racism from an Australian directed at Arabs and Indonesians. The targets were different since there are very few people of African descent in Australia but at Africans, Asians, and people from the Middle East. In fact racial attitudes towards Indians has been such a problem that the Indian government at time has issued warnings for Indians going to Australia for work or study.
