I just heard on ESPNEWS that the Astros have contacted the White Sox about trading for David Wells. He might be the type of players this team needs as far as leadership goes. What do you guys think about him? He seems over the hill to me... He also said he's going to retire after this season if a team doesn't pick up his 10 million dollar option for next season. So if the Astros traded for him, he'd only be around for 2 years. ------------------ "Empire" had the better ending. I mean, Luke gets his hand cut off, finds out Vader's his father, Han gets frozen and taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All "Jedi" had was a bunch of Muppets.
I'd do it. I'm not saying he's a savior. But we need some serious pitching. Consider it a done deal. I'd even give them Lima Time as well. Lima just can't pitch in Enron. We have plenty to offer from the minors or maybe even Daryl Ward if we can get some prospects in exchange. I love Ward, but realistically, he's never gonna play. It's not fair to keep him here. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
It sounds like the White Sox contacted Houston: "Owner Drayton McLane Jr. confirmed the Chicago White Sox have inquired about Houston's interest in pitcher David Wells, two broadcast outlets reported Thursday. "The White Sox have indicated they might be able to talk about that," McLane told KILT-AM and television station KRIV. McLane went on to say he thought such a trade might mean parting with "two or three really great minor-leaguers" from the Astros' deep farm system. The Astros' owner cautioned there have been no formal discussions about Wells and that if the Astros were to trade for a pitcher, he might feel more comfortable waiting awhile before making such a deal." Wells, to me, is not a difference maker along the lines of Randy Johnson. I would hate for them to give up a couple of quality players for him. I would consider the following players "untouchables": Ginter Ensberg Lane McKnight Lidge Redding Hernandez Rodriguez Lidge may be O.K. to trade as he has had bad luck injury-wise but he looks to be a real promising starter. Also, any trade for Wells would HAVE to include Lima. ------------------ [This message has been edited by bobrek (edited May 24, 2001).]
I hope you guys aren't thinking I hope the Astros do a Randy Johnson type deal for him. Wells isn't worth any of the young prospects the Astros have. I only reported what I heard because I know we have some Astros fans on the board. ------------------ "Empire" had the better ending. I mean, Luke gets his hand cut off, finds out Vader's his father, Han gets frozen and taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All "Jedi" had was a bunch of Muppets.
Sorry! I thought the "shake up the clubhouse" thing meant you favored such a deal. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
I hope they don't trade for Wells. The Astros would be much better off bringing up some of their young pitching in Triple A. Please keep in mind that the top pitching prospects the Astros traded for Randy Johnson are now the backbone of the Seattle Mariner's starting rotation. ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
I pray that the Astros aren't serious about going after Wells, especially if it involves trading 2-3 top prospects or Ward. Let us all remember the Johnson trade. I mean, it wasn't that bad a gamble, but just imagine if the deal wasn't made. Garcia would be the staff ace right now. Right now, I would be more interested in developing the youngsters than a past-his-prime, albeit solid, pitcher. ------------------
The Johnson trade was awesome if Drayton could have signed the Big Unit to a long-term deal. Renting a pitcher for a couple months by giving up Garcia, Halama, and some other top notch prospects is just plain stupid. ------------------
Take Wells, he's givin us hell in Chicago. Guy can't keep his mouth shut, and pitch. Go ahead...take him...I dare you... You'll regret it. ------------------ Note: It was my cowhead. I started the cowhead craze, and my cowhead inspired Mooch to step up and bring us a victory. Thank you for your time.
Wells is a quality major league lefty and proven postseason starter. Right now the Stros have one dependable starting pitcher in Miller. Reynolds is rounding back into form. Elarton has pitched terrible all season, almost Lima-like. Even if those 2 come back strong, that leaves 2 rotation spots. None of the Stros good AAA or AA available talent are lefties, and a lefty arm would go a long way toward beating the Cardinals. Now I wouldn't give up alot of prospects to get a 38-year-old pitcher with only a season or 2 left, even if that pitched did win 20 last season. But Chicago gave up very little to get him and is ready to let him go, so it might not take much at all to swing the deal. ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
I'd do a Lima for Wells straight up trade. Lima seems to have lost whatever he had & you can see it in his eyes, that he has lost his confidence. Maybe it's just that he can't pitch in Enron field. You have to have ground ball pitchers for Enron field & he gets more fly ball outs, than grounders. Besides, the trade would get us from under his big contract & we could let Wells go in a couple of years after his contract expires. When Reynolds regains his form, we could have a starting 5 of Reynolds,Wells,Miller,Elarton, & Bottenfield(although, I'd rather see Oswalt replace Bottenfield). Miller, Elarton, Oswalt & McKnight will, in time, give us one of the best young pitching rotations in the game. Kind of makes me think of the Atlanta Braves. It's a shame that Hampton didn't come back, but that's water under the bridge. I absolutely wouldn't send any prospects from the minors, unless it was someone that we had given up on & the only way that I'd send them Ward would be if we could get a promising young catcher. ------------------
I don't know where the "David Wells can't pitch and is over the hill" came from unless people are going on his ONE bad outing last night. Every pitcher struggles, Randy Johnson had an ERA around 7 the first month or so of the season. I'm pretty sure that Wells ERA would drop to around 3, or the 2s if he came to a team with a positive attitude, instead of an injury racked team that has gotten used to losing in Chicago. Not saying the Astros should pick him up, but Wells is still one of the better pitchers in baseball. ------------------ See the three, be the three.
The White Sox already have too many enigma pitchers to take on Jose Lima. If the Astros really want Wells, then the Sox are going to try and pants the Stros. It's just the way the South Side outfit operates. When they're sick of messing with us fans, they send the incompetents packing to a contender, and make more promises of rebuilding. They've been doing that since they threw the damn series 82 years ago. Yet, I'm thankful that I'm not a Cubs fan. uh, this was about Wells, right? Sox most desperately need infielders or a CF. Ensberg will be on that list of the Sox "wants", I would guess. I doubt the Sox would take Lima - they already have enough headcases. GR8-1: that was hilarious! ------------------ The DRUNKministrator?
NO way would I trade Ward straight up for Wells. Young, understated fat guy is better then old, grouchy fat guy. Smokey, you're using hindsight. When the trade was made, Halama had struggled in an earlier stint in the Majors. I don't know, the trade would've been worth it if the Stros won the pennant and the Unit still bails. Thanks Keeley. ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you." [This message has been edited by gr8-1 (edited May 24, 2001).]
I am a big David Wells fan, but i just see no need to trade for him. A left-handed starter could be great, and he's still one of the best lefties in baseball, but it's just not worth it. Too much we'd have to give up. ------------------ "Down South is where I stay, switch four lanes, . . . from the Antoine to the MLK, these H-Town boys like to swang and bang" - Mista Madd feat. Yungstar and Slim Thug - "Down South"
As good as Freddy Garcia has become, even in hindsight, you still do that trade 10 times out of 10. This is Randy Johnson we're talking about here. When you have as good a chance to win as that '98 Astros team did, you make the trade for a guy like Johnson. I have absolutely no regrets on that trade. The guys at 610 said that they have heard a rumor of a potential Ward for Wells deal. If you can resign Alou for one more year before you make the trade, do you do it? They have a guy at AA named Jason Lane who would then take over for Alou after next year. Keep in mind this certainly isn't Randy Johnson we're talking about here, but still is a front of the rotation lefty with a solid postseason track record. Adding even more fuel to the fire, the White Sox named Daryl Ward's father as their new batting coach this weekend... So, if you can resign Alou for one more year, do you do Ward for Wells straight up? ------------------ Interior defense wins playoff games.
I know Ward is a good player but he might not show his stuff with Houston. I dont want to get rid of Ward for someone who is that old. I just want Lima out of here. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
Let's try to steal Wells from the Sox for some half-ass prospects like in the Alou deal. Thrown in Lima for kicks. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
He's not a leader at all. Frank Thomas tears a tricep and SuperSize goes on the radio berating Thomas for not playing hurt. He couldn't lead ants to a picnic. Caveat emptor. ------------------ The DRUNKministrator?
