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As an Undecided voter please tell me about Obama's Good Judgment

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROCKET RICH NYC, Mar 3, 2008.

  1. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Other than his good judgment for voting against the Iraq War....

    Where was his judgment when he missed 190 votes during his term as senator.

    I found a list of all the things he voted for, against, and simply DIDN'T vote at this link

    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/missed/

    and a list of key votes here


    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/

    He keeps talking about how he voted against the war in Iraq but I see a couple of votes where he approved SPENDING on the war. On 4/26/07 He VOTES YES on this..

    Vote 147: H R 1591:

    House and Senate conferees approved this legislation providing $124.2 billion primarily for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and setting benchmarks and a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, but President Bush vetoed the bill on May 1.

    Explain what good judgment was of his when on 7/26/07 he didn't vote on this issue while both Democrats and Republicans passed this measure.

    Vote 284: H R 1: This amendment to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 was made in order to implement the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission. Different versions of the bill were passed in the House on Jan. 9 and in the Senate on July 9. A modified version of the bill, with conference report changes, was revisited on July 27 and passed by a vote of 85-8. The bill requires the inspection of all cargo traveling on passenger aircrafts and establishes the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board. This panel, suggested by the 9/11 commission, is responsible for advising the president and senior White House officials maintaining respect for privacy laws and civil liberties. Other provisions of the bill include grants to states, urban areas, regions, or directly eligible tribes to be used to improve the ability for first responders to react to and prevent terrorist attacks, according to the Congressional Research Service. The bill also outlined details regarding the detention and treatment of captured terrorists. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on August 3.

    WHERE WAS HIS GOOD JUDGMENT THAT DAY?

    I am still undecided on who to vote but I'm getting tired of hearing how he has good judgment. Did he have good judgment dealing with Tony Rezko?

    Show me where his good judgment is on OTHER ISSUES BESIDES IRAQ!

    I was intrigued by Obama in the beginning but the more I look at his own record, the more I'm starting to think he is going to SAY what WE ALL WANT TO HEAR! The old saying "I'll put a chicken in every pot in America" is not what I want from any candidate.
     
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  2. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    One more thing...

    I find it appalling that John McCain is the #1 member of congress who has MISSED VOTES at over 269 Votes Missed 56.4%.

    Technically Tim Johnson (D-SD)has the most missed votes but..Johnson suffered a brain hemorrhage on Dec. 13, 2006, and has not returned to the Senate. So that explains his missed votes.

    Here is the list of Vote Missers
    http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

    Obama is #2 at 39.8%

    Hillary is at #6 at 28.3%
     
  3. El_Conquistador

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    1. Expect a lot of hate-filled responses to your post.

    2. Expect little, if any substance from Obama supporters, other than how they feel 'inspired'. I felt inspired this morning to go squeeze out a couple of turds into my toilet. That doesn't mean I'm voting for the server at Ninfa's for President though.
     
  4. Major

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    This is true for Hillary and McCain as well. Unfortunately, when you're on the campaign trail for a year, you miss a lot of votes. Hillary's missed about the same number, and McCain has missed substantially more. It sucks, but it's the reality of running as a Senator/Congressman.

    I think he has stated multiple times that he'd vote to fund the war on the principle that while you're there, you have to do it right. You can't skimp on that or force an unplanned withdrawal or you create a bigger mess than you already have.

    Plenty of things have been posted talking about his good judgment in the campaign, his selection of policy people, etc. But based on your post, it's pretty clear you're not a particularly undecided voter, so it's not really worth bothering. You've pretty clearly already made up your mind.
     
  5. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    I actually haven't decided.

    I don't know which candidate suits my family the best between Obama, Hillary, or McCain.

    I have my equal share of complaints about Clinton, its just that I get plenty of information about her. We also had 8 years of her husband and another 8 years of her as Senator in NY.

    So no I haven't made up my mind.

    I'm just tired of hearing people say he has good judment. Show me more.
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    He's a liar if he said that. He wasn't yet in the Senate when the vote was taken in 2002. Perhaps he's talking about a vote in a poll on an internet basketball message board, instead?

    Obama is simply unfit to lead. No experience, no solutions, a terrible economic plan, and poor management of foreign relations. Oh, but he does have a deep voice and can tilt his head back when he speaks.
     
  7. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Didn't Obama say He's gonna remove the troops out of Iraq as soon as he's elected President? So how is that good judgment?
     
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    lol I'm glad somebody called him out on this
     
  9. mc mark

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    Hillary keeps talking about having the experience to take that 3AM phone call in a crisis situation.

    Can anyone point to a time when Hillary was put in a crisis situation and how she responded?
     
  10. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    I'm calling out all of them. Hillary, McCain, and Obama...

    I honestly do not know who is going to run this country the best.
     
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    Hillary says she'll start removing troops in 60 days if elected.
     
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    Liberals: Answer the man's question. Where is Obama's good judgment? Where is it?
     
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    If he truly had good judgment would he be running for president?

    would any of them?

    :p
     
  14. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Well, She's in a crisis right now with her campaign. If that is any indicator of how she's gonna run this country then we may be in trouble. Look at how she handles being attacked. She gets very defensive. She likes to blame. Obama is a little more cool about it but even he likes to play the Blame George Bush game.

    I'm not the biggest fan of Bush, but can Obama and Hillary STOP BLAMING BUSH and tell me how they are going to FIX the mess we are in.
     
  15. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    Seriously?
    Why is the media not asking these questions about Obama? Why won't the media talk about his Judgments? We hear all day about Clinton . We also hear about McCain being George Bush Jr.

    So why aren't we hearing more about Obama. I feel like the media and people are just telling me to drink the Obama punch and wait for the good times to roll.
     
  16. basso

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    we have a moral obligation to the people of Iraq to stay and finish what we started. to advocate a unilateral pullout is, IMNSHO, morally irresponsible.
     
  17. SuperS32

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    You should ask this guy:

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    Seriously, here are his legislative accomplishments (not bad for less than four years in office):

    http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcjcw3bm_51gcpqqnd4&pli=1

    Not a big fan of "A Resolution to Congratulate the Chicago White Sox on Winning the 2005 World Series," :mad: :mad: but his ability to anticipate problems (ethics reform, avian flu, lead paint) sticks out to me as an example of his good judgment. I think any of the candidates left, save Huckabee and Paul, would do a decent job. I just think Obama would do the best job.
     
  18. Major

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    No - he said he would do a phased, systematic withdrawal. From one of his foreign policy advisors:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-wiener/samantha-power-how-obama_b_88963.html

    He is willing to make the Iraqi people central to his plan: to think about moving people from mixed neighborhoods to homogenous neighborhoods if that was required; creating a war crimes commission; giving two billion dollars in aid to Iraq's neighbors who are sheltering these refugees.

    You can disagree about the specifics - I certainly am not in the "withdraw from Iraq" camp - but he has thought a tad bit more about the details than you seem willing to give credit for.
     
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    On maintaining a balenced budget
    On China and Currency Manipulation/Trade Imbalences
    On compensating for reckless Bush Administration spending
    On preserving American rural economies
    On ending tax breaks for American companies outsourcing American jobs
    On the option of nuclear power and of the solution to America's energy dependancy.
    On a 3-benefit solution to dependancy on the Middle East/America's energy problem.
    On the benefits of alternative energy for America and the nesscesity to move that direction
    On reducing lead and mercury poisoning
    On preserving America's lakes and forests
    On Katrina contracts being given to Halliburton
    I'd continue, but I'm doubtful any of you guys will actually read this. Let me say though, as a concerned neighbour of your north, that this guy seems to be a lot more solid and full of substance then well...another guy. ;)

    "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating."—President Bush, as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002
     
  20. basso

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    he supports segregation along ethnic/religious lines in Iraq?
     

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