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Article: JRich and Troy Murphy may be on the block

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rickylee888, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. rickylee888

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    This may be a pipedream, but since our biggest needs are an athletic SG, who can defend and shoot, and a PF who can rebound and shoot, it would be great if the Rockets can somehow land JRich and Troy Murphy from the Warriors.
    I haven't had a chance to crunch the numbers, bit try to imagine next year's starting five of Rafer, JRich, Yao, TMurphy and T-Mac!



    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/15/SPGP6HOD3L1.DTL

    Troubles to the core: Will Warriors break up the trio?
    Production hasn't met all expectations for 3 starters who dominate the payroll
    - Janny Hu, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Wednesday, March 15, 2006

    Jason Richardson, Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy are the professed "core" of the Warriors. Have been since signing $173 million worth of contract extensions, and still are, according to Chris Mullin.

    Year 2 of their reign as everyday starters, however, has dissolved into a mess worse than Year 1. The Warriors returned to practice Tuesday with a 26-37 record after their 1-4 road trip, and the playoffs they targeted are a distant fantasy.

    As Richardson noted this past weekend, it's time to play spoiler again. Time to practice for the future with "the guys that are going to be here."

    And that may or may not include themselves.

    "I could see the core sticking together and being very successful," Mullin says. "I could see something else happening. This is the NBA."

    This is the NBA, in which success is based on wins and losses. And through nearly two seasons as three-fifths of the Warriors' starting lineup -- the last alongside Baron Davis -- Richardson, Murphy and Dunleavy have posted a 60-85 mark.

    This is the NBA, in which production is often based on statistics. And though Davis was acquired to be the point man and elevate the core to new heights, those statistics have had a habit of betraying them all.

    Numbers have never been among Dunleavy's best friends, and this season has been especially rough. His points (10.2), rebounds (4.7), assists (2.7), steals (.79) and minutes (30.4) are all down, and so are his starts.

    Murphy is the virtual opposite, the ultimate numbers guy who can have trouble being an all-around factor. Take away his rookie year and his injury-plagued third season, and he's averaged a double-double while being among the league's top rebounders.

    He's added a 3-point shot and flashes of an inside game since entering the league. Former teammate Antawn Jamison even predicts that Murphy will be an All-Star one day. But put Murphy alongside Dunleavy and Adonal Foyle in the frontcourt, and something seems to be off.

    Richardson is the only Warrior to be spot-on of late, but even he isn't immune to the numbers trap. He averaged 32 points, hit 51 percent of his shots -- 48 percent from long distance -- and set two career highs in points on this past road trip. And yet, the Warriors lost games to Minnesota, Atlanta, Charlotte and Orlando.

    Remember when Dunleavy flung his jersey into the stands during a rare show of anger last season? He said it was a culmination of three years of his frustration with the Warriors, but it was also a visual metaphor for all that has haunted Golden State.

    The talent is there; the wins are not.

    And as the Warriors head for their 12th straight season without making the playoffs, their once-designated core sounds more and more as if it's preparing for a shakeup this summer.

    "I'd be surprised," Murphy said about all three returning. "I mean, you hear your name in a lot of rumors, things like that."

    Said Richardson: "I can't even tell you. That's up to management."

    It's up to Mullin, and so far, the Warriors' vice president has made it a point to keep the trio intact. He signed Richardson and Murphy to extensions two Novembers ago to prevent them from testing the free- agent market and he did the same with Dunleavy this past season.

    With each deal, Mullin lauded his players' individual talents, spoke of their improvement, and how they would continue to progress as a part of the Warriors' "core."

    Dunleavy says his biggest strides in four years have come on the defensive end, where he was pushed around as a rookie before his body grew stronger. Murphy has focused on rebounding and adding to his offensive repertoire.

    All Richardson heard his first two seasons was that he couldn't shoot, so he spent his summers shooting jumpers and fadeaways from all over the court. Then critics said he couldn't dribble or defend, so he's spent the last two summers working on ball-handling and defense.

    "Keep on going down the list, come back and prove them wrong," said Richardson, who has increased his scoring and shooting percentage every year.

    "Hopefully, that's what you're going to get with these young guys," coach Mike Montgomery added. "That they continue to get better, understand, mature ... and start to take the challenge of being the players they are.

    "J.R.? I think he's starting to understand. He plays both ends. He's willing to take responsibility for not making plays. It's been good to see. Everybody has noticed that."

    Still, Mullin believes the Warriors can be a major player this summer with their accrued talent and he likes how his trade chips compare with other teams' around the league. He has proven talent and intriguing youngsters in Andris Biedrins and rookies Monta Ellis and Ike Diogu.

    Though Mullin would prefer that the Warriors weren't distracted by trade rumors, he knows it's impossible.

    "That's part of the business," Mullin said. "I know it sounds so cliched, but the players know that. I know that. Do we want their heads straight and fresh as much as we can so they go out and perform? Yes. Am I going to extinguish everything? No, I can guarantee you I'm not ...

    "You always want to put yourselves in a position where you can win with what you have and develop, and have that success not only now, but for years to come. Or if something becomes viable, that you can be legitimately in that as well."

    For the Warriors to be legitimate trade partners, everyone on their roster must be in play. Be it the rookies, the veterans, Davis (who has three years at $49 million), or the once-designated core of Richardson, Murphy and Dunleavy.

    And they know it, like it or not.

    "I'd like to see us stick together and do well because we've struggled for four years -- five years for them," Dunleavy said. "We haven't been to the playoffs and it's been frustrating. But at the end, whatever this team needs to do to get to that level -- to do our best -- we got to do what we got to do ... Most importantly, I'd like to see it work out (for the team), and I think they would tell you the same thing."

    "We've been teammates for a long time," Richardson added. "But it's pretty much up to the individual player if they want to be here or not. It's up to management if they think they're part of us becoming successful.

    "I'm just going to work on my game. You never know -- it might be me that has to go."
     
  2. tim562

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    Awesome, but doubt it.
     
  3. Furious Jam

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    Dunleavy is the one they would like to dump, followed by Murphy due to the depth they have behind him. You could argue that Richardson is their best player, so I don't think he's going anywhere.

    Murphy would fit in great with Yao, but they're not just going to give him away. I've thought in the past that GS would be willing to give up Murphy on the cheap if you took Dunleavy's contract with him, but we don't have the salaries to make that work either. I'd say no chance of dealing with GS.

    To be honest, I don't think any trades are needed. You just need to get T-Mac healthy and draft a shooting guard.
     
  4. YallMean

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    Ahhh, ifs .... ;)
     
  5. FishBulb913

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    I know its tough to think about but, would u consider T-Mac and fillers for J. Rich, Murphy, and their 1st
     
  6. emjohn

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    Dunleavey is clearly destined to be a bit player in this league, and looks to be at best a sad version of Toni Kukoc. The trick is convincing anyone to deal for his stupid contract (which kicks in next year...)

    Troy Murphy is pretty nice, and is only slightly overpaid. He doesn't offer interior defense or weakside blocking, but a pretty consistent 15 and 10 isn't half bad for your starting 4.

    Mullin would be insane to move Richardson, though. He's one of the most explosive swingmen in the game and is only beginning to enter his prime. 13 30+ games so far this year, including a couple of 40+ nights. Not shabby on the boards either (6 a game).

    I would be trying hard to dump Puffy the PG, Dunleavy, and Foyle if I were running the show. 3 of the worst contracts in the league. Maybe he could convince Isiah that a backcourt of Marbury, Francis, and Davis would be revolutionary.

    Evan
     
  7. YallMean

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    No

    Unless Davis and Howard is in the mix.
     
  8. Luckyazn

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    Tmac/Howard for Baron/JRich/TMurphy ?
     
  9. steddinotayto

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    Swap Swift + fillers for Murphy and I'll be happy. Not the bruiser we want/envision at the 4, but it's a significant upgrade over the Howard/Swift tag team.
     
  10. m_cable

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    Gawd, Davis would be horrid on this team. And I doubt GS would trade J-Rich, a budding superstar for Tracy straight-up considering his back problems.
     
  11. YallMean

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    2nd though, let's just trade Yao to Warriors. That might make things easier. :D
     
  12. DeAleck

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    I thought we traded dribble-mania away for good.
     
  13. daoshi

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    Why do we still fall into the same trap again? A player had a couple good games against us, then he becomes the savor of the Rockets, and we must sign the guy? I thought we have been through this with Cato, MoT, and Moochie.

    TMurphy is ok, but I won't touch Richardson, or Dunleavy EVEN with half of the money they are making. Haven't we already seen SF and Swift? That's the type of player Richardson is. As of Dunleavy, he should be starting in this league.
     
  14. m_cable

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    Except that he can shoot, play off the ball, and has improved his game every year he's been in the league.
     
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    Mullin should be on the hotseat. Fisher's contract was dumb, Dunleavy's contract was dumber and Foyle's contract was one of the dumbest in NBA history. The "theft" of Baron Davis from the Hornets has bit them. What has Mullin done in the last 2-3 years to keep his job? He and Montgomery should both be fired. I knew they wouldn't do well this year because Montgomery is not an NBA level coach. Who's the numbskull that hired him?

    They should keep JRich and dump the other fat contracts. The overpaid Murphy has good overall stats but he doesn't seem to impact games very much. Dunleavy is pretty much a bust. Baron should be given away to whoever will take him. They are stuck with Foyle and Fisher. Bring in a new GM that has a clue and a coach who can motivate NBA players. Monty got his payday and should now go back to the college game. No other NBA franchise would have given him the time of day but Mullin made his day.
     
  16. rickylee888

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    I disagree in regards to JRich. I'm out here in the bay area and have been following him since the Warriors drafted him. The guy can flat out play! He's gotten better each year and he's not a one-dimensional player.

    As for Baron...forget it! He's hurt all the time.
     
  17. daoshi

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    Are you sure he can shoot under JVG? There are a lot of players who can shoot in this league, when not with the Rockets, of course. But this guy is playing with his athletism, not his brain. If a guy cannot use his brain after 4 years in this league, what makes you belive he ever will?
     
  18. daoshi

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    I'm in Bayarea too, "forced" to watch the Warriors a lot. Let's just say we certainly have a different opinion on JR.

    Think about this way, the guy is making MAX, and the team sucked with all the years he's been here, doesn't matter who was his teammates, Arenas, Jamison, Dampier, now B. Davis; oh, he had a couple different coaches too.

    I'm just glad I'm not a Warriors fan, or I'd have multiple heart-attacks watching the guy playing, a top athlete no doubt, but with limited basketball IQ.
     
  19. Rivaldo2181

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    Trading T-Mac for role players: HELL NO!!!

    It's sad to see people giving up on him like this. Am I the only one that remembers last season's T-Mac (dude was SICK!!! He dropped 20+ point quarters without breaking a sweat!).

    T-Mac has bounced back from similar injuries in the past.

    This is alittle off topic but the Warriors have to be one of the worse professional sports franchises ever! The amount of talent they have had and not made the playoffs and have lost over the years is ridiculous:

    Tim hardaway
    Chris Webber
    L. Sprewell
    Joe Smith
    D. Marshall
    E. Boykins
    L. Hughes
    A. Jamison
    G. Arenas
     
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    I would definitely consider it.
     

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