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Artest on the move?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by xiki, Sep 20, 2004.

  1. xiki

    xiki Member

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    Every high profile player moving, or wanting to, this summer has elicited rumors about Artest being offered up by Indy in a deal for...TMc, Peja, Shaq and on.

    Now I have heard that Pacers are talking, quietly, to a number of teams about RA. According to a reasonably well placed contact there has even been 'some' conversation with Rox. (No, nothing heavy, he doesn't think.)

    So, the questions are
    why would Bird et al want him gone and
    if he does move on, why not find a way to bring him in to Rockland?

    I, for one, would think it a coup if he could wind up here (with Yao and TMc).
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes)
    SF Clarence Weatherspoon (5.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.7 minutes)
    Houston receives: PF Austin Croshere (5.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes)
    SF Ron Artest (18.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 37.2 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +6.8 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

    Indiana trades: PF Austin Croshere (5.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes)
    SF Ron Artest (18.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.7 apg in 37.2 minutes)
    Indiana receives: PF Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 75 games)
    SF Clarence Weatherspoon (5.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 52 games)
    Change in team outlook: -6.8 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and -2.4 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    Due to Houston and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement


    NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN :D.
     
  3. Jeff

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    I think a more important question is:

    Why if they talked about a deal for McGrady with Artest as one of the keys to the deal would Bird trade him here for anything other than Yao or T-Mac?
     
  4. R0ckets03

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    Cause Bird was smoking the good stuff if he thought he was going to get Tmac for Artest? ;)
     
  5. codell

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    They wouldn't.

    XIKI just likes to thrown around "I've heard" trade proposals.

    :p
     
  6. xiki

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    Thanks for that...I didn't say it was anything other than Indy putting his name out for high profile folks all summer and that I have heard, from a reasonably credible source, that they are trying to move him, and that they have at least had a 'conversation' with the Rox.

    Proposal? I don't think so.

    Move him? Maybe. But, again, why? His talent exceeds his other qualities? Is he a disaster waiting to happen? Locker room cancer? EG in the making? Why would Artest not be a prize to keep at all costs?
     
  7. Pat

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    Isn't Ron Artest the closest thing this generation has to Dennis Rodman? Lot of talent, but pretty weird. Didn't he throw a monitor or something once. I am pretty sure he was suspended some games for misbehavior. That is why they would move him (for equal talent - or there abouts). you just don't know what your future is with Ron Artest.

    BTW props to Sir Jackie. Put together a trade, and got it posted in three minutes!
     
  8. RIET

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    Were you the one who thought we could trade our overpaid worthless crap for Kirk Hinrich? There were so many of those ridiculous trade threads, I can't remember who started them.
     
  9. xiki

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    I have suggested that KH will NOT be in Bulls gear 1 November. I did not say he'd be a Rock.
     
  10. arno_ed

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    i think Francis is more of a team leader. and scorer. Artest is a very good role player. IMHO.
    So if i was the Magic i would want Francis, beause i need a leading scorer and somebody who CAN create for others.
     
  11. xiki

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    http://www.indystar.com/articles/6/180617-4686-036.html

    bob kravitz
    Truth about Artest begins to emerge

    September 22, 2004

    To the naked eye, it appeared that Ron Artest had turned a major corner last season. He was the NBA's Defensive Player of the Year, a star on a 61-victory team, and most remarkably, he made it through an entire regular season without suspensions or fines.

    The deeper truth was, the problems never really went away, the nadir coming during those final weeks of the NBA playoffs when Artest's odd behavior became a detriment to his team.

    It's been a couple of months since the Detroit Pistons sent the Pacers home, and the more we learn about what really went on in those final weeks, the more obvious it becomes that the Pacers need to send him on his merry way.

    There's a reason Indiana management has floated Artest's name out there, specifically in relation to Peja Stojakovic, who is angling for a trade out of Sacramento:

    They have reached the same conclusion.

    Otherwise, why would they be looking to move the league's Defensive Player of the Year? Why would they be interested in getting rid of a player who, on the surface, seemed to get his act together last season?

    Because as an organization, they know a lot more than they let on at the time. They know that Artest started reverting to his old ways in the middle of the playoff series against Miami, and that things only got worse in the series against Detroit.

    The word of Artest's missteps during the playoffs came out in dribs and drabs last spring, the whispers coming from every corner of the team's locker room.

    He was goofing off in practice, they said. He was bringing his perpetually stormy home life to work, they said. Some members of the organization even believe he quit on the team during Game 5 of the Eastern Conference finals.

    The most glaring problems, though, emerged in the hours before Game 6 in Detroit.

    Artest missed practice the day before Game 6. He missed the team's charter flight to Detroit later that evening. He then missed a shoot-around before the biggest game of the season.

    At the time, the Pacers chose to cover up for Artest -- or tell a baldfaced lie, if you want to be technical. They said he was suffering from migraines. Maybe they just got used to covering for Artest, or, perhaps, they were hoping to maintain his trade value, which will never be higher than it is now.

    Of course, he didn't have migraines, a story nobody believed in the first place. A teammate shared the truth that day with The Star, saying, "He had some problems at home."

    Then came Game 6 and the kind of pressure that separates the good players from the great ones. When the stakes were their highest, Artest crumbled, exhibiting the lack of control that nearly got him booted from the league one year earlier.

    Even if you make the case that Detroit's Richard Hamilton dropped an elbow into Artest's gut to instigate the act, in the end, a player cannot retaliate with a forearm shiver that results in a flagrant foul -- and, for all intents and purposes, ends the Eastern Conference finals.

    If the Pacers weren't sure whether they could trust Artest before the playoffs, they were certainly sure after the team was eliminated. Then, to make matters worse, Artest blew off a postseason meeting with Larry Bird, which is a terrific way to get yourself traded.

    Clearly, the Pacers' small forward was not the only reason his team fell to Detroit in six games. The Pistons had a lot to do with that, as did injuries to Jermaine O'Neal and Jamaal Tinsley. If Reggie Miller had dunked the ball in Game 2, the story might have been far different.

    But Artest is ticking, and the Pacers know it.

    Already this summer, Artest has made some ridiculous noise that threatens to further strain his relationship with his teammates, and notably O'Neal.

    He was asked by Slam Magazine if he took it as any kind of compliment that his name was being linked in trade talk with Stojakovic, who was an MVP candidate. Artest responded by making the case that he himself not only should have rated MVP consideration, but should have won the award, period.

    "I thought I was the MVP last year because we had the best record and I was the best player on the team," he told Slam. "So I felt that I should have at least been talked about for it."

    Huh?

    We don't know if the Pacers have a subscription to Slam Magazine, but believe me, they've seen that quote.

    In the end, the Pacers might not be able to get fair value for Artest, and a trade -- for Stojakovic or anybody else -- might not happen. But they're going to try. After what happened last spring, after their mercurial star confirmed many of their worst suspicions, they're definitely going to try.

    Bob Kravitz is a columnist for The Indianapolis Star. Call him at (317) 444-6643 or e-mail bob.kravitz@indystar.com
     
  12. KellyDwyer

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    24 years old.

    Twenty ... four ... years ... old.
     
  13. lytruc

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    Yeah, I don't believe the article. If true, then why trade Al Harrington?

    Do you think Orlando would have turned down Al and Ron for McGrady? Potential trade for Peja with those two as well.
     
  14. emjohn

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    How is it that pacertom hasn't shown up yet to insist this is all lies and conjecture and the journalist is making it all up because he's jealous of Artest's game?

    They did.

    Al Harrington was traded because (1) he had been loud and clear all season that he was no longer willing to come off the bench - he all but said start me or trade me, and (2) he disappeared against the Pistons. Larry Bird and Rick Carlisle didn't hide the fact that they wanted to make changes in the locker room, and Al and Ron-Ron (and Pollard) were top on the list to go.

    xiki, don't forget to pay the tipjar on Nov 2nd when Captain Kirk is still a Bull. Don't forget to vote, either :)

    Artest may replace Payton (1999-2003) as the most talented guy that a team wanted to move but just couldn't.

    Evan
     
  15. Sane

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    From that last quote, I'm guessing O'Neal doesn't like Artest very much after he claimed to be the best player on the team.
     
  16. AMS

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    I dont like artest that much either. i thnk he is much overrated.
     
  17. pacertom

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    Because the article is completely accurate. It just isn't NEWS. It was reported AT THE TIME in the Detriot series that he missed practice, missed a team flight, and had "migraines" and we all knew that it was a smokescreen.

    Artest is a strange dude. The progress that he did make was almost completely eliminating his flagrant foul/suspension problem of 2002-2003.

    The Pacers could trade them but they want more than worthless piles of crap like Mo Taylor in return. They are shooting for the Tracy McGrady, Peja Stoyakovic, and maybe Paul Pierce or Ray Allen level of player.

    They might have to lower the price or keep him.

    Giving up on a talented 24-year-old that is one of the top 5 small forwards in the league (sportsline rated him #1) is something that you don't do easily.

    I expect him to stay.
     
  18. PiPdAdY33

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    Those 4 players are all above Artest's skill level so yeah I doubt he'll be moved.

    1. Tmac
    2. Peja
    3. Pierce
    4. Allen



    Artest
     
  19. outlaw

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    Artest to the Pistons for Tayshaun Prince & Darko Milicic?
     
  20. m_cable

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    Explain to me why Detroit would possibly do this deal. Prince can give you most of the defense for none of the attitude. And they're giving up on Darko already. Even Kwame Brown, the biggest #1 bust in recent years is starting to look like a might be about to turn the corner. And since Detroit won the title with team play and chemistry, why would they want to take on a psycho like Artest.
     

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