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Arizona Bill Drafted By Racist Hate Group?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Oski2005, May 4, 2010.

  1. Oski2005

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    The Immigration Law Reform Institute (ILRI) helped draft SB-1070 — the draconian law that means police must stop anyone brown-looking and demand their papers. ILRI is the legal arm of a racist hate group. And it's not stopping at Arizona.

    Frank Rich today linked to a Think Progress report that reveals IRLI's general counsel, Michael Hethmon, helped draft the language of the bill. CNN report Hethmon saying that four other states, which he would not name, have approached him "for advice on how they can do the same thing where they live." We presume those states are among the 11 listed here as considering similarly draconian measures.

    IRLI's website says it fights to protect the "legal rights, privileges, and property of U.S. citizens and their communities from injuries and damages caused by unlawful immigration." It is affiliated with a group called the Federation for American Immigration Immigration Reform (FAIR). Advocacy group The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks domestic hate groups, is unambiguous in labelling FAIR racist and dangerous. An investigation in 2007 revealed that:

    The group has also consulted with Vlaams Belang, a racist Belgian political party that used to be called Vlaams Bloc. Until the Belgian Supreme court banned it under that name for xenophobia. Which might explain why, according to Think Progress again, FAIR's legal arm, IRLI, has been behind some of the most racist-seeming pieces of legislation on the books. It charges $300 per hour to train Sheriff Joe Arpaio's men, who make sweeps for illegal immigrants, on immigration law. It has tried to stop the children of illegal immigrants attending school, and aligned itself with a measure to curtail their medical treatment and child welfare too.

    Of course, while it's non-profit, IRLI doesn't work for free. So it stands to benefit handsomely for the cause if a bunch of controversial anti-immigration laws move slowly through statehouses across America.

    http://gawker.com/5529320/the-racist-hate-group-behind-arizonas-new-immigration-law

    And here's a direct link to the Southern Poverty Law Center's report on FAIR including an enlightening video: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/12/11/fair-crossing-the-rubicon-of-hate/


    I guess it should not come as a surprise that a state that tolerates a psycho sheriff and did not want to honor Martin Luther King would allow such a group to write their laws.
     
  2. justtxyank

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    I didn't realize the law said the police needed to stop brown people and ask for their papers. Thanks for the info TS.
     
  3. ima_drummer2k

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    LOL, yeah that's exactly what the bill says...
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

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    you also forgot to quote the part about brown people drinking tequilla and eating tacos while firing their pistoles in the air
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    No racist hate group, but I found this particularly amusing.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29kobach.html
    So the right-hand man to the guy who shat on more American civil liberties than anybody in recent memory is one of the brains behind this lump of fascist, neo-xeno dung they call SB1070? Color me shocked.
     
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    There's also this, they are looking to rid teachers with accents in Arizona. Maybe rid is a harsh word, how about fire?
    Where is the outrage by the tea party? This is big brother like.


    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/history/arizona-strikes-again-now-it-i.html
    " Horne said he believes the district’s ethnic studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people and promotes racial hatred. Public schools, he said, should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race."
     
  7. glynch

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    It's all good. Let the GOP be the party of whites who hate gays, immigrants, minorities etc. There won't be enough like minded whites to win.
     
  8. Rocketman1981

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    Many minorities recieve a great deal of pressure from their communities not to be a Republican which is just sad. Your ignorance and blindness contribute to the race/class/wealth-baiting nonsense that the democrats stand for.

    I'm not a republican or a democrat, but you are so emotional about this issue that you've convinced yourself that anyone that is a Republican hates gays, immigrants and minorities. Which is ironic because many immigrants, minorities and gays are part of the Republican party.

    As an immigrant myself, it upsets me that my family did the right thing by waiting and legally coming here and many people have no respect for the law in this country by coming here illegally and then demanding that they get all fair treatment in every capacity.

    For all the nonsense we hear from the leadership in Mexico, ever hear how Mexico treats Central American immigrants who stay longer than their 6 month 'cross the border to the US illegally' visas?? Its not pretty.
     
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  9. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Wait... someone making sense in D&D. Let me check the window for flying pigs.
     
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  10. Qball

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    This is news to me. What percent do the above make up in the rep party?How many is "many"? Can you provide a link to more information on this, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
     
  11. Oski2005

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    It's Gawker, all of their stories are written in a snarky and facetious manner.
     
  12. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    I googled it for you

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  13. Rocketman1981

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    I am an immigrant and a minority and used to attend Republican meetings that were quite diverse. Its ironic that the party to have the highest African-American's in US history in government pre-Obama with Condi Rice and Colin Powell are percieved as racist?

    I'm disenchanted with the way most Republicans spend and act like Democrats nowadays, but to throw out those silly notions that someone is a republican because of racism, xenophobia and homophobia is just rediculous.

    Most republicans common ground (which the current ones have stepped on!) includes lower taxes for all Americans, a smaller less intrusive government and a strong military to defend the nation.

    By stereotyping any Republican as racist and homophobic etc. all you are doing is demonizing others and widening the gap between discourse that promotes ideas to make this country greater.

    I thought democrats believed in not stereotyping others? Don't demonize people which brings an emotional bearing to seeing the benefits varying viewpoints have to offer.
     
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  14. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    This section of clutchfans is built on stereotyping, emotionality and of course, making sure you remain closed-eared to any other points of view other then your own.

    Of course it's more entertaining that way, and politics and the media are already at the same point so just roll with it.
     
  15. wreck

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    I dont recall was it the Bush senior administration that gave amnesty?
     
  16. Depressio

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    Just don't act like it doesn't fly both ways, please. Yeah, there are quite a few here who characterize Republicans as old white men who hate everything but what's "normal." There are also quite a few here who characterize Democrats as tree-hugging hippies hell-bent on taking over the country with socialism.

    There are also a few conservatives here who don't resort to stereotyping, just as there are liberals who don't as well.

    What I despise most of all is someone who takes the victim approach to all of this rhetoric and poo-flinging.
     
  17. Ottomaton

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    In the polls I can find, those issues poll as important for about 80%+ vs. about 70% for immigration.

    If you broke down by geographic location, my guess would be that in the South issues like immigration would be on par, if not greater than those issues that you say are more important. There is a separate breed of Northern Republicans like Lincoln Chafee and Judd Gregg who counterbalance the Southern social Republicans. As such, I appreciate the general theme of your concerns, but find them to be, in this particular instance, misapplied.

    When this guy decided to run for Governor of Alabama, for instance, he didn't make ads about reducing government, lowering taxes, or national defense:

    <div><object width="512" height="322"><param name="movie" value="http://d.yimg.com/static.video.yahoo.com/yep/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.46" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="AllowScriptAccess" VALUE="always" /><param name="bgcolor" value="#000000" /><param name="flashVars" value="id=19363665&vid=7402565〈=en-us&lang=en-us&intl=us&thumbUrl=http%3A//l.yimg.com/a/p/i/bcst/videosearch/14444/106527328.jpeg&embed=1" /><embed src="http://d.yimg.com/static.video.yahoo.com/yep/YV_YEP.swf?ver=2.2.46" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="512" height="322" allowFullScreen="true" AllowScriptAccess="always" bgcolor="#000000" flashVars="id=19363665&vid=7402565〈=en-us&lang=en-us&intl=us&thumbUrl=http%3A//l.yimg.com/a/p/i/bcst/videosearch/14444/106527328.jpeg&embed=1" ></embed></object><br /><a href="http://video.yahoo.com/watch/7402565%E3%80%88=en-us/19363665">Tim James' campaign video -- Language</a> @ <a href="http://video.yahoo.com" >Yahoo! Video</a></div>

    One would imagine that, in a free market of ideas, if spending and defense were really the issues which would resonate with his Southern Republican base, an efficient candidate would make his ads about those subjects. Instead he chose this as his centerpiece.
     
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  18. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Hence I started with "This section of clutchfans....." and included everyone in politics and the media.

    But if your saying in general then yep I agree.
     
  19. Depressio

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    Wait, you don't think it flies both ways here ("this section of clutchfans"), too? It applies everywhere, ClutchFans being no different.
     
  20. Qball

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    The title of the poll was "Republican Base Heavily White, Conservative, Religious". Again, how many is "many"?
     

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