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Are we perhaps looking in the wrong spot for our 'Next Point Guard'?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Nero, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. Nero

    Nero Member

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    Given Stevie's BYC situation, as Gater says, everyone should just calm
    down regarding anything happening with Steve in trade any time before
    the offseason.

    However, it is pretty clear that Steve's days as the Rockets' starting PG
    are numbered. Whether that means he is totally out of here in trade,
    or he moves to the SG spot, all that remains to be seen.

    One thing though, no matter what happens, this team is without a doubt
    in serious need for a new starting PG for next year, and thereafter.

    Why would anyone trade to us a better PG than Steve, FOR Steve?
    That doesn't make any sense. So, as the concensus seems to indicate,
    any trade involving Steve is more likely to land us a PF-type star than
    anything top-shelf in the PG department.

    So even trading Steve, we're still left looking.

    Or if, say, we move CM + all that extra trade exception money, so that
    Steve can move over to the 2, we're still having to hope that we can
    land a top-tier PG with that deal? I just don't see much of anything
    out there that will work in a deal like that, and give us fair value.

    There's always the free agent path, which JVG seems to lean towards
    anyway.. so who is really going to be out there as a FA PG in the offseason?
    Anybody good, or at least better than Steve?
    Regardless of whatever people may think, going that route is a very
    expensive dice roll, and you never know how it will turn out, but
    brother will we be paying for it either way.

    Personally, I would prefer to keep Steve, and move him to the 2. Yeah
    yeah yeah, I know the arguments against that move.. but think it through -
    there are those who say he would get torched by opposing SG's every
    night, and maybe he might have a hard time guarding some of them,
    but how many of the league's SG's can effectively guard Steve?
    Matchup problems can go both ways. Iverson is exhibit A in this debate.
    Besides, unless there is a rule that says SF would HAVE to guard his
    opposite number every game, there is no reason why he would have
    to be stuck in a bad matchup, when we already get by fairly well as
    a defensive team with Steve guarding the other guy's PG, so switching
    that assignment would not kill us.

    Maybe with a CM + TE trade would net us a good young PF stud, or
    even young stud plus draft pick. I am wondering if we shouldn't,
    instead of trading for someone else's PG, just draft one of our own.
    One thing we haven't tried yet is getting our very own tall Euro PG,
    fundamentally solid, team-oriented distributor. Someone who could
    be taught to play defense on opposing 2's, someone who could
    actually get the entry pass in to Yao without pump-faking and hesitating..

    While there are lots of little 6-foot Euro PG's out there, check out this
    6'7" guy..: Sasha Vujacic

    Playmaker close to the two meters, Sasha is one of those players who leaves your mouth open with his fantastic plays. Handles the ball very adeptly. He's ambidexterous with the dribble and pass, and excells driving to the basket with both hands. Has instincts for the basket, drive and dish, He is a master in making clutch shots and has range. Above all he is a player who plays fearlessly. He still must learn the art of playmaking but he has innate leadership skills. He loves to get teammates involved. He has a great attitude and does not have a tendency to hold onto the ball too much. He must improve his outside accuracy, which will require hours of practice, but the makings are there. Not an explosive player. On defense he knows how to defend one-on-one and put pressure on the ball but suffers from lack of physical strength especially on the blocks. He's a special player. Strengths: Ball handling, creativity, penetration. Drawbacks: Physical strength, shooting from outside, experience. Overall: A top prospect in Italy and one of the more interesting of Europe.

    Apparently projected as a late-first, early second round pick, so we
    might actually be able to swing a deal which could land this guy.

    I am not saying he is the next coming of Magic, and he seems like
    he may be a bit raw, a year or so away from making a meaningful
    contribution, but this is where I choose to place a little faith in JVG,
    and hope he would be able to bring a guy like this along.

    This team has had some fair-to-middlin' succes with foreign-born
    players, but we have not really taken a shot on a PG, instead wasting
    time with people like Bryce Drew, Tito Maddux, Matt Maloney, Brent
    Price, Moochie Norris.. etc etc.

    I think it's time we turn our eyes to the overseas market for some of
    the same players that several other NBA teams have found; some of
    these solid team-player PG's, sort of polar opposites to what SF is.

    While I know that Vujacic may not be the right guy, it's still worth
    taking a look at that kind of source, and train him up ourselves in
    our own system, rather than limiting ourselves to taking only what
    other teams are willing to give up.
     
  2. Desert Scar

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    Steve's game is predicated on hiom dominating the ball and having free reign. You move him to the 2 and take that away from him, I am not sure why people think Steve would be a better in that role than Mobley, for over double the price.

    Thus I say we trade Steve for the best 4 or 3 we can, and use the MLE for a less than spectacular but good shooting solid all-around 1 this offseason. Someone who may not be a creater, but someone who is solid handling the ball and organizing the team, a good open shooter, and strong defender (late career Derrick Harper type).

    I am fine waiting this offseason to trade Steve, but with our trade exemption if the right deal is available before this year's dealine there is no reason to wait.
     
  3. Daedalus

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    i've always thought the "art of playmaking" was not a teacheable one. You cannot think your way through it; it's kind of like spidey's sense.

    Having said that, i'd be curious to hear others' take on Duhan's progression in learning to play that role for Duke.
     
  4. room4rentsf

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    Theres been so many posts and trade discussions about getting a real PG and how much they can bring to this team. Im starting to wonder if that is all overrated and if it would really benefit this team much.

    Trying to think back to the last few years other than Tony Parker, none of the prior championship teams had a "star" point guard. Just someone who knew they're role and could set up the offense while hitting their open shots.

    So that brings me to my next point... if thats all that is needed why wouldnt JJ be able to handle that type of role? It seems in his nature to be a great point guard type..

    any opinions about that?

    J
     
  5. SamFisher

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    I'm leery of Big Euro point guards. We heard the same things about Jiri Welsch, Marko Jaric, and evven Toni Kukoc back in the Stone Age ("Magic Johnson with a jump shot") Yeah-right. Then these guys get to the US and they don't have anywhere near the quicks that you need to handle the point offensively or deffensively in most cases. They end up being mediocre PGs like Marko Jaric or moved to another position like Wesch & Kukoc. Tony Parker is the only euro PG that has impressed me that much.
     
  6. Desert Scar

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    Funny thing was in many of the critical moments in the Spurs playoff runs the last TWO years this "star" has been benched for veteran journeymen PGs.
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I have actually advocated that:

    Trade SF to the Warriors for Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy Jr., and Avery Johnson.

    J. Jackson/M. Jackson/Johnson
    Mobley/J. Jackson/Piatkowski
    Dunleavy/Piatkowski/Nachbar
    Murphy/Taylor/Weatherspoon
    Yao/Cato

    IR: Wilks, Griffin, Padgett
     
  8. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Not so. In an interview with John Stockton, he said the reason he could pass so well is because he's done the same situation over and over again. This is pretty much word for word of what he said "When I get in a situation on the court, I'm like, okay, I know what to expect, I've done this before."
     
  9. thumbs

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    We really don't need to look overseas for a point guard. All that is needed is to switch Jim Jackson to the point and let Steve play SG. That way we have a tall, proven defender and someone with the basketball smarts and passing skillls needed at the point. Mobley then becomes the sixth man, and we don't destroy team chemistry. As a bonus, JJ works well with and understands JVG. Oh, yes, unless we are in the land of lotto, we have no draft choice to get Nero's proposed PG.
     
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  10. xiki

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    Assuming both teams were interested, what happens with the retirement (as announced) by AJ?
     
  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think AJ's in the last year of his contract, so it would just come off the books at the end of the season.
     
  12. ayears

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    Moving JJ to PG is only temporary step which is NOT a fundamental solution to our PG trouble,i think.

    Yao is 23 year-old. While our goal is not just playoffs but NBA Champions in a long run. JJ's 33 years old and has been past his prime for fair. Imagining what situations will it be when Yao become a true dominant center with an old PG(sorry,no meaning to offend JJ)on the court three years later... We really need a true PG (like Manu) with similar age to Yao. So we do need to find a PG either by trade or by draft.
     
  13. WyoRox

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    I think moving JJ to the point is at least worth a try... I liken it to Portland when they moved Quitten (older-but taller, good defender, and good court sense) to the point position there and had pretty good success.
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    You don't need the prototypical PG per se, as long as you have capable ball handlers who are also good decision makers.

    DD
     

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